[Linux-aus] VPAC etc

David Bell dtbell91 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 7 15:23:29 AEST 2016


You do realise that Linux Australia's Admin Team (and the Council,
conference teams, mirror team, web team, etc) is made up of volunteers?
Volunteers who maintain LA's infrastructure in their spare time, out of
their own good will for no material benefit whatsoever?


On 7 June 2016 at 14:53, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:

> On 06/06/2016 23:48, Russell Coker wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:24:07 PM Andrew Pam wrote:
>>> On 06/06/16 20:51, Russell Coker wrote:
>>> >
>>> http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/the-linux-distillery/72843-lin
>>> > ux- australia-hosting-woes-to-continue-under-current-mindset.html
>>> >
>>> > The above article will probably be of interest to some people here.
>>> > Comments are open.
>>> And sadly the comments are filled with self-centred outrage, claims that
>>> Russell's requests for some sensitivity in the use of language are
>>> "bullying" and complaints about "SJWs".  Oh no!  Russell is infringing
>>> on people's free speech by politely disagreeing!  It's political
>>> correctness gone mad!  I understand that people are upset about the
>>> underlying issues, but this is a poorly written article and the
>>> publication sorely needs a community manager to keep the comments on
>>> track.
>> It's doubly ironic that the Anonymous Coward is complaining that I'm
>> infringing his freedom of speech.  The first irony is that he believes
>> that his
>> free speech requires that I have no free speech - free speech is not
>> freedom
>> from people disagreeing, it's freedom for everyone to disagree!  The
>> second
>> irony is that if IT Wire weren't so committed to this type of free speech
>> they
>> would have cut him off long ago.
>> But the comment thread is educational.  Even by Internet standards it's
>> uncommon to see so much stupidity concentrated in one place.  I will blog
>> about this.
>> Back to the content of the article, while there are some complaints that
>> could
>> be made about it (apart from the one I made) I think there is one
>> noteworthy
>> point.  The question is asked why doesn't Linux Australia pay for
>> hosting.  It
>> would be good if the council could answer that.  I don't think that LA
>> should
>> necessarily pay for hosting, but I think it would be good if the members
>> know
>> what services are in use and why the decision was made to not use Linode,
>> Hetzner, EC2, and other options.
>> As an aside the LUV server is now a VM on a Hetzner server.
> Virtual services are more prone to outages then real hardware
> SANs are notoriously unreliable - we've seen them blamed for many virt env
> outages.
> real daemons running on real disks and not from a big file are far far far
> more efficient.
> You know your hardware, so if it fails its your fault.
> You know your hardware so you know what it is capable of
> As for external hosting with the above named services, multiple ip ranges
> of them, especially hetzner and linode are dnsbl'd.
> The right decision to buy and use our own hardware.
> The wrong decision to keep expecting an org like this with healthy bank
> account to get free hosting.When you dont pay for it you are of course at
> the mercy of someone elses generosity. when you pay for it, you end up with
> SLA;s.
> Lastly, the fact no one took ownership and worked day in day out to move
> it after being given notice reflects poorly upon that team, and the fact
> nobody did squat till it was too late, that entire team should be asked to
> resign, i'm actually serious, in fact if they had any ounce of decency,
> theyd offer up their resignations - In the real world out there, yes the
> $dayjobs, do you think your employers would give you that option if you did
> it to them? no, theyd have security escort you off premises so fast youd be
> wondering what just happened.
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