[Linux-aus] VPAC etc

Michael Still mikal at stillhq.com
Tue Jun 7 15:18:12 AEST 2016

Noel, welcome to my kill file.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:

> On 06/06/2016 23:48, Russell Coker wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:24:07 PM Andrew Pam wrote:
>>> On 06/06/16 20:51, Russell Coker wrote:
>>> >
>>> http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/the-linux-distillery/72843-lin
>>> > ux- australia-hosting-woes-to-continue-under-current-mindset.html
>>> >
>>> > The above article will probably be of interest to some people here.
>>> > Comments are open.
>>> And sadly the comments are filled with self-centred outrage, claims that
>>> Russell's requests for some sensitivity in the use of language are
>>> "bullying" and complaints about "SJWs".  Oh no!  Russell is infringing
>>> on people's free speech by politely disagreeing!  It's political
>>> correctness gone mad!  I understand that people are upset about the
>>> underlying issues, but this is a poorly written article and the
>>> publication sorely needs a community manager to keep the comments on
>>> track.
>> It's doubly ironic that the Anonymous Coward is complaining that I'm
>> infringing his freedom of speech.  The first irony is that he believes
>> that his
>> free speech requires that I have no free speech - free speech is not
>> freedom
>> from people disagreeing, it's freedom for everyone to disagree!  The
>> second
>> irony is that if IT Wire weren't so committed to this type of free speech
>> they
>> would have cut him off long ago.
>> But the comment thread is educational.  Even by Internet standards it's
>> uncommon to see so much stupidity concentrated in one place.  I will blog
>> about this.
>> Back to the content of the article, while there are some complaints that
>> could
>> be made about it (apart from the one I made) I think there is one
>> noteworthy
>> point.  The question is asked why doesn't Linux Australia pay for
>> hosting.  It
>> would be good if the council could answer that.  I don't think that LA
>> should
>> necessarily pay for hosting, but I think it would be good if the members
>> know
>> what services are in use and why the decision was made to not use Linode,
>> Hetzner, EC2, and other options.
>> As an aside the LUV server is now a VM on a Hetzner server.
> Virtual services are more prone to outages then real hardware
> SANs are notoriously unreliable - we've seen them blamed for many virt env
> outages.
> real daemons running on real disks and not from a big file are far far far
> more efficient.
> You know your hardware, so if it fails its your fault.
> You know your hardware so you know what it is capable of
> As for external hosting with the above named services, multiple ip ranges
> of them, especially hetzner and linode are dnsbl'd.
> The right decision to buy and use our own hardware.
> The wrong decision to keep expecting an org like this with healthy bank
> account to get free hosting.When you dont pay for it you are of course at
> the mercy of someone elses generosity. when you pay for it, you end up with
> SLA;s.
> Lastly, the fact no one took ownership and worked day in day out to move
> it after being given notice reflects poorly upon that team, and the fact
> nobody did squat till it was too late, that entire team should be asked to
> resign, i'm actually serious, in fact if they had any ounce of decency,
> theyd offer up their resignations - In the real world out there, yes the
> $dayjobs, do you think your employers would give you that option if you did
> it to them? no, theyd have security escort you off premises so fast youd be
> wondering what just happened.
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