[Linux-aus] Special support for women

Noel Butler noel.butler at ausics.net
Wed Oct 30 11:05:25 EST 2013


No sex should get special treatment - PERIOD 

If you want the job, you must love the industry, so you learn the job,
for IT you need obviously have a passion for it, study hard, and prove
to prospective employers you are better than the next candidate,
regardless of your sex, I've been on interview panels where I elected to
hire a woman over a man, simply because SHE was the best candidate, I
have also hired a man over a woman, because HE was the best candidate. 

It is discrimination to, like certain outspoken politicians have
implied, we must hire women because there is more men in the workplace,
just to address an imbalance - what fucking idiot came up with that
notion. I dont give a rats what any pollie says or even somehow manages
to enter into law (good luck with the High Court challenge), because the
best person for the job gets it - be it man, women, or martian, and
nothing will ever change that, unless you move to dictatorship country. 

On 30/10/2013 06:47, Luke Martinez wrote: 

> Also, not wanting to give women special privileges is misogyny? Hmm.. 
> On Oct 30, 2013 7:45 AM, "Luke Martinez" <me at luke.asia> wrote:
> Wow. Just because a person has a differing view from you doesn't mean they should be removed at _your behest_. 
> Could you imagine what would happen if this wasn't Linux-aus but religion-aus. We'd be down to 1 member really quickly! 
> On Oct 30, 2013 7:37 AM, "Donna Benjamin" <donna at kattekrab.net> wrote:
> You're a troll. You should be removed from this mailing list.
> David Newall <davidn at davidnewall.com> wrote: 
> (:-P (tongue in cheek)
> Apparently we need special programmes to address an imbalance between 
> the sexes; in politics, employment, management and elsewhere, this is 
> widely accepted as appropriate. Linux Australia is not immune to this; 
> we give opportunities and support to females. This puts an elephant in 
> the corner: women gain opportunities at the expense of more capable (or 
> more needy) men. This undermines their credibility; it raises reasonable 
> doubts about their competence. Are they there from merit or merely to 
> make up the numbers?
> Maggie Thatcher was never PM to improve numbers; she was destined to be 
> leader of UK; she earned the role. Affirmative action needed no part in 
> her glory. She was the best candidate. Yet I think she must have 
> struggled to overcome doubt. (Arguably she was better because of the 
> doubt, but that's for another day.)
> I say m
> erit is
> blind to sex; it shines from inner strength. I say 
> special programmes damage the interests they purport to serve. How can 
> someone be taken seriously if there was obligation to give a women the 
> place? We do them naught but disservice by gifting favours that are 
> intrinsically merited. We do naught but disservice by filling seats 
> with lesser competence.
> We see ourselves as a meritocracy; for sake of honesty and transparency, 
> our special programmes for women should candidly admit patronage of 
> incompetence over political correctness. Let's cancel our "women in IT" 
> programmes and replace them with programmes that reward "incompetent 
> women in IT," or at least to widen eligibility to include hamsters and 
> fish. That way, competent women, of which we have plenty, can leave no 
> doubt that they won prestige merely on shining ability.
> Chew, swallow, digest.
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