[Linux-aus] [LACTTE] Victim Impact Statement

Luke Martinez me at luke.asia
Mon Nov 4 01:03:36 EST 2013

If we need any proof that Technology isn't some Men Only club like the
feminists absolutely* love* to remind us of, we need only reference the
complete ostracising and personal attacks we witnessed in the replies to
Davids post.

Davids' basic argument was that women are capable, and they shouldn't need
special treatment, but everyone saw that as an opportunity to shame him and
attack him, comparing him to a person with an Mental Illness, Guess what?
There are people in Technology with Aspergers and Autism, so not only did
you insult him, you dehumanized those people too.

Congratulations Russell. You dehumanized someone for the sake of a few
brownie points with the Politically Correct Group.

Rather than people assessing his argument and responding to it, we had
people such as Jessica Smith modify the argument from [Women who want to do
IT are perfectly competent to without special assistance] to [gifting
favours to incompetent women] in order to make it easier to shoot down,
congrats to you too. (How does it feel to win a debate against yourself?)

Later on in the thread I chimed in and said something similar to; "How
about we accept that because less women have an interest in IT that's maybe
why there are less women in IT, and that we don't need to go on an Woman
Finding Crusade, because maybe, just maybe, it's okay." And again my
argument was implicity reframed by Chris N, who took my argument to mean
that I believe that women have no interest in IT, which is completely false
both as an argument and by data. (How does it feel to win a debate against

The sad thing is that I've only ever seen people turn to disgusting
personal attacks and modification of arguments the opposition is posing
when they have nothing of value to say & no valid points against the
oppositions argument.

Labelling people "Neckbeards" because you don't agree with them, as seen a
couple of times, when, funnily enough, many people here actually do have
neckbeards. Why can't you comprehend that there is* no* correlation between
disagreeing with you and having a Neckbeard.

Further down the thread there was a complaint about how " if you're going
to suggest such things you actually cite some evidence.", when neither
party was citing evidence, and the closest thing to evidence that was being
cited was the _clearly_ biased finallyfeminism and geek feminism wikia.
(Yea... of course websites that are pro-your-opinion are going to say
things that are pro-your-opinion... That's a given.)

Chew, Swallow, Digest.


Although I don't agree with your original framing of your email, it could
have been more tactfully put and less like you're ducking for cover.
(Contradictions within the text etc) You raised a really valid point, why
aren't people just people, why are some people worth more to the Linux
community? or even the Tech Community.

What does a Woman bring that a Man cannot?
What does a Man bring that a Woman cannot?

The answer to both questions is simple, Nothing.
If women don't want to do IT at the rate that men do, then that might just
be okay.

I propose a longer version of your line;* Chew Swallow Digest Protest Blame
Ostracise;* Because that's exactly what happened here.

Take care mate.
Stay safe, remember there's lifeline and other services that you can call
if you need help.

And to all the feminists that i've clearly pissed off with all my privilege
gushing around the place; If only Male Privilege actually existed, maybe
Russell and I along with every other male wouldn't have a 6x greater chance
of dieing because of Suicide than females. (Source: Beyond Blue)

-- Luke.
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