[Linux-aus] Fwd: Re: Grant Application - A grant to Moe Menshed (about to start)

[Brent Wallis]

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/about-us/research-projects/research-projects/men-s-sheds-in-australia

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Russell Coker <russell at coker.com.au> wrote:

> Robert asked me to forward this message to the list as he isn't aware of
> how
> to use lists.  I've removed the phone number, I'll provide it privately to
> anyone who has a good reason to call him.
>
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> Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Grant Application - A grant to Moe Menshed (about
> to
> start)
> Date: Sunday, 26 March 2017, 8:55:43 AM AEDT
> From: Robert Palmer <rpalmer47 at gmail.com>
> To: russell at coker.com.au
>
> Dear Russell,
>   The reason that it is called a menshed is so that wives left at home do
> not worry that their husband is seeing another woman.  In Wagga Wagga
> Menshed one or two women actually had official position and were an asset.
> I find that a few women do improve the character of the club.  In the same
> way, having a computer room and section changes the character of the club
> otherwise ex-tradesmen overwhelmingly predominate.  I am not an
> ex-tradesman and have an odd background for this organisation.  I started
> bee-keeping in Wagga Wagga Menshed; this was not in the character of the
> organisation.  It is, I think, rather important to keep the pretense of men
> only but it is better if it is not the reality.
>  Talk to Collin Wooton on Tel ******** to get a more valid picture of
> Moe Menshed values
> Yours faithfully Robert Palmer
>
> On 25 March 2017 at 18:40, Russell Coker <russell at coker.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Robert, we are having ongoing discussions about your application for a
> > menshed
> > grant.  Robyn says that in Adelaide the mensheds don't exclude women.  To
> > clarify the issue please briefly explain what you are doing to make your
> > menshed welcoming to women and non-binary people.
> >
> > On Saturday, 25 March 2017 5:04:47 PM AEDT Noel Butler wrote:
> > > On 25/03/2017 07:10, Paul Wayper wrote:
> > > > On 24/03/17 16:36, Kathy Reid wrote:
> > > >> Let's called it a BIKE-shed, because this is exactly what this is.
> > > >
> > > > I disagree.  I fully agree with Russell - if it's open to all people,
> > call
> > > > it a shed or a hackerspace or whatever.  I would not like to see
> Linux
> > > > Australia--
> > > Mens Shed is their Australia wide legal name, they are everywhere, I've
> > > helped out a couple local ones myself when they needed some telco work
> > > done, so your argument on what they call themselves is pointless, they
> > > also aren't just a bunch of old blokes, there's teenagers as young as
> 16
> > > involved.
> > >
> > > > I would not like to see Linux Australia putting money toward
> something
> > > > where women were excluded
> > > So you objected a few years back when LA gave to the womens only
> thingy?
> > > Dont recall your name saying as much.
> > >
> > > All forms of gender/sex discrimination is wrong, but when you do, you
> > > cant play favorites, all sides are to be treated and considered without
> > > the "gender only" consideration - unless you want to appear  before the
> > > federal court to explain your actions if a rejection is challenged :)
> >
> > https://linux.conf.au/attend/code-of-conduct/
> >
> > The CoC used for LA events refers to "unwarranted exclusion from
> > conference or
> > related events based on age, gender, sexual orientation".  So having a
> > women-
> > only event to address problems with the exclusion of women in many areas
> of
> > technology is acceptable.  But having a men-only technology event would
> be
> > unwarranted.
> >
> > --
> > My Main Blog         http://etbe.coker.com.au/
> > My Documents Blog    http://doc.coker.com.au/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Robert Palmer
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