<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.beyondblue.org.au/about-us/research-projects/research-projects/men-s-sheds-in-australia">https://www.beyondblue.org.au/about-us/research-projects/research-projects/men-s-sheds-in-australia</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Russell Coker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au" target="_blank">russell@coker.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Robert asked me to forward this message to the list as he isn't aware of how<br>
to use lists. I've removed the phone number, I'll provide it privately to<br>
anyone who has a good reason to call him.<br>
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Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Grant Application - A grant to Moe Menshed (about to<br>
start)<br>
Date: Sunday, 26 March 2017, 8:55:43 AM AEDT<br>
From: Robert Palmer <<a href="mailto:rpalmer47@gmail.com">rpalmer47@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au">russell@coker.com.au</a><br>
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Dear Russell,<br>
The reason that it is called a menshed is so that wives left at home do<br>
not worry that their husband is seeing another woman. In Wagga Wagga<br>
Menshed one or two women actually had official position and were an asset.<br>
I find that a few women do improve the character of the club. In the same<br>
way, having a computer room and section changes the character of the club<br>
otherwise ex-tradesmen overwhelmingly predominate. I am not an<br>
ex-tradesman and have an odd background for this organisation. I started<br>
bee-keeping in Wagga Wagga Menshed; this was not in the character of the<br>
organisation. It is, I think, rather important to keep the pretense of men<br>
only but it is better if it is not the reality.<br>
Talk to Collin Wooton on Tel ******** to get a more valid picture of<br>
Moe Menshed values<br>
Yours faithfully Robert Palmer<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
On 25 March 2017 at 18:40, Russell Coker <<a href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au">russell@coker.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Robert, we are having ongoing discussions about your application for a<br>
> menshed<br>
> grant. Robyn says that in Adelaide the mensheds don't exclude women. To<br>
> clarify the issue please briefly explain what you are doing to make your<br>
> menshed welcoming to women and non-binary people.<br>
><br>
</span><span class="im HOEnZb">> On Saturday, 25 March 2017 5:04:47 PM AEDT Noel Butler wrote:<br>
> > On 25/03/2017 07:10, Paul Wayper wrote:<br>
> > > On 24/03/17 16:36, Kathy Reid wrote:<br>
> > >> Let's called it a BIKE-shed, because this is exactly what this is.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I disagree. I fully agree with Russell - if it's open to all people,<br>
> call<br>
> > > it a shed or a hackerspace or whatever. I would not like to see Linux<br>
> > > Australia--<br>
> > Mens Shed is their Australia wide legal name, they are everywhere, I've<br>
> > helped out a couple local ones myself when they needed some telco work<br>
> > done, so your argument on what they call themselves is pointless, they<br>
> > also aren't just a bunch of old blokes, there's teenagers as young as 16<br>
> > involved.<br>
> ><br>
> > > I would not like to see Linux Australia putting money toward something<br>
> > > where women were excluded<br>
> > So you objected a few years back when LA gave to the womens only thingy?<br>
> > Dont recall your name saying as much.<br>
> ><br>
</span><span class="im HOEnZb">> > All forms of gender/sex discrimination is wrong, but when you do, you<br>
> > cant play favorites, all sides are to be treated and considered without<br>
> > the "gender only" consideration - unless you want to appear before the<br>
> > federal court to explain your actions if a rejection is challenged :)<br>
><br>
</span><span class="im HOEnZb">> <a href="https://linux.conf.au/attend/code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://linux.conf.au/attend/<wbr>code-of-conduct/</a><br>
><br>
> The CoC used for LA events refers to "unwarranted exclusion from<br>
> conference or<br>
> related events based on age, gender, sexual orientation". So having a<br>
> women-<br>
> only event to address problems with the exclusion of women in many areas of<br>
> technology is acceptable. But having a men-only technology event would be<br>
> unwarranted.<br>
><br>
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