[Linux-aus] About luv-announce: When is a mailing list "the same" or "different"?

[Paul Esson]

I think it's because their PII has been shared with a 3rd party without
their consent, not the particulars of the software the 3rd party is using
to send their emails.



Paul Esson

On Tue, 3 Feb 2026, 2:17 pm Les Kitchen via linux-aus, <
linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote:

> Hello LA folk!
>
> While this is of immediate relevance to LUV (as a subcommittee
> of LA), it could have implications for LA more broadly, so I post.
>
> I'm trying to step back a bit from the current discussions about
> luv-announce, and identify what's really going on.
>
> It seems that we have two divergent and strongly held views:
>
> 1. The mailing list sent out to by the current LUV team is still
>    the same luv-announce list.  It consists of the addresses
>    provided by LUV members to LUV so they can be informed about
>    LUV events (and as the de facto indication of LUV
>    membership).  The only thing that has changed is that mail is
>    now being sent out using computing services donated by
>    Electron Workshop, under the control of LUV.  So it is still
>    in effect luv-announce.
>
> 2. The mailing list is now a different mailing list, and
>    therefore addresses are being harvested (from luv-announce)
>    without consent, which is a bad thing.
>
> I and others hold to View 1; others hold just as strongly to
> View 2.  Maybe there are intermediate positions.
>
> I don't see any immediately easy way of resolving this, but I
> think it is the crucial issue under contention.
>
> I will say though (from my admittedly partisan position) all I
> have heard from holders of View 2 is the assertion that
> it's now a different list, and harvesting is happening.
>
> What I would like to hear from holders of View 2 is a coherent
> case that the list in question is a now a different list, and
> *not* really luv-announce.
>
> Is it because the list is running on different servers?  Is it
> because the list server is under a different domain?  Is it
> because the list server is running different mail software?  Is
> it because the method of subscription is different?  None of
> these seem particularly compelling reasons to regard it as a
> different list.  As far as I'm aware nothing else has really
> changed (aside perhaps from some minor and forgivable glitches
> in set up.)
>
> I acknowledge that "luv-announce" does not appear explicitly in
> the new mailouts, but that could easily be fixed if people
> thought it was a good idea.
>
> As laid out in View 1, as I see it, it's the same list of email
> addresses being used for the same purposes under the control of
> LUV, therefore in effect still luv-announce.
>
> I am curious why people think that it is somehow really a
> different list from luv-announce.  I hope we can reach some
> mutual understanding, and find a way ahead.  My feeling is that
> some minor technical fixups in the current setup could resolve
> most of these concerns.
>
>
> — Smiles, Les.
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