[Linux-aus] grr

Arjen Lentz arjen at lentz.com.au
Sat Oct 19 10:17:15 EST 2013

Hi Chris, all

I think clarity on the options is good and needs to be transferred from year to year so the issue doesn't have to be revisited.

While it is nice to have the option of requesting a discount or fee waiver, do appreciate that people don't like handouts or being made to feel like they have to beg. That is a matter of dignity.

Thus it is the means and the communication, not the offer itself, that is the key issue.

-------- Original message --------
From: Chris Neugebauer <chrisjrn at gmail.com> 
Date: 19/10/2013  08:32  (GMT+10:00) 
To: Kylie Willison <kmw at bridgeonline.com.au> 
Cc: Robyn Willison <robyn at robynspcs.com>,Linux Australia <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> 
Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] grr 
My $0.02 and a bit on how PyCon AU does things:

Firstly I think that the "hobbyist" rate should be regarded as a
discount, concession rate: as others have pointed out, it's very cheap
amongst comparable conferences both in Australia and worldwide. LCA
just happens to offer the rate with no questions asked. The
"Professional" rate is the full rate for the conference, and
represents covering all costs for the delegate, and then some.

The "student" concession rate is offered at an unusually high
discount, offset by professional tickets, and because it's viewed as a
long-term investment. Students, in future, may become speakers and
professional delegates.

For people who really can't afford the lowest rate they are eligible
for, there shouldn't be an issue with directly contacting conference
organisers. PyCon AU formalises this approach: we have a financial
assistance scheme, and one of the grantables for that is discount –
even waived – registration.

I don't think it's unreasonable for conference organisers to discount
or waive registration fees on a case-by-case basis. I think LCA could
do a better job of advertising and formalising this though.


On 19 October 2013 08:46, Kylie Willison <kmw at bridgeonline.com.au> wrote:
> In previous years people on a pension have been able to pay the student
> concession rate.  It would be good to have a consistent pricing policy from
> year to year with regard to concessions other than students.  We are a
> community based on sharing and giving it would be good to see this extended
> beyond the code.
> Kylie Willison
> On 19 October 2013 07:31, Robyn Willison <robyn at robynspcs.com> wrote:
>> Pensioners and Unemployed pay student pricing, I have to ask every year.
>> I ask if the website can be updated to represent this and I don't think
>> it's happened yet.
>> Obviously some people here think we earn outrageously more than students.
>> Robyn
>> On 18/10/2013 11:36 PM, David Lloyd wrote:
>> >
>> > Let's try this again:
>> >
>> > On 18/10/2013, at 9:40 PM, Stewart Smith <stewart at flamingspork.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> David Lloyd <lloy0076 at adam.com.au> writes:
>> >>> So, let me summarise:
>> >>>
>> >>>   * The poor should pay full price.
>> >>>
>> >>> Am I missing something here?
>> >>
>> >> I think so, the hobbyist price is a discounted price, and that's an
>> >> important thing here.
>> >
>> > Ok, so, the poor should pay full price - I want some tea. NOW.
>> >
>> > DSL
>> >
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