<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >Hi Chris, all<div><br></div><div>I think clarity on the options is good and needs to be transferred from year to year so the issue doesn't have to be revisited.</div><div><br></div><div>While it is nice to have the option of requesting a discount or fee waiver, do appreciate that people don't like handouts or being made to feel like they have to beg. That is a matter of dignity.</div><div><br></div><div>Thus it is the means and the communication, not the offer itself, that is the key issue.</div><div><br></div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Chris Neugebauer <chrisjrn@gmail.com> <br>Date: 19/10/2013 08:32 (GMT+10:00) <br>To: Kylie Willison <kmw@bridgeonline.com.au> <br>Cc: Robyn Willison <robyn@robynspcs.com>,Linux Australia <linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au> <br>Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] grr <br> <br><br>My $0.02 and a bit on how PyCon AU does things:<br><br>Firstly I think that the "hobbyist" rate should be regarded as a<br>discount, concession rate: as others have pointed out, it's very cheap<br>amongst comparable conferences both in Australia and worldwide. LCA<br>just happens to offer the rate with no questions asked. The<br>"Professional" rate is the full rate for the conference, and<br>represents covering all costs for the delegate, and then some.<br><br>The "student" concession rate is offered at an unusually high<br>discount, offset by professional tickets, and because it's viewed as a<br>long-term investment. Students, in future, may become speakers and<br>professional delegates.<br><br>For people who really can't afford the lowest rate they are eligible<br>for, there shouldn't be an issue with directly contacting conference<br>organisers. PyCon AU formalises this approach: we have a financial<br>assistance scheme, and one of the grantables for that is discount –<br>even waived – registration.<br><br>I don't think it's unreasonable for conference organisers to discount<br>or waive registration fees on a case-by-case basis. I think LCA could<br>do a better job of advertising and formalising this though.<br><br>--Chris<br><br>On 19 October 2013 08:46, Kylie Willison <kmw@bridgeonline.com.au> wrote:<br>> In previous years people on a pension have been able to pay the student<br>> concession rate. It would be good to have a consistent pricing policy from<br>> year to year with regard to concessions other than students. We are a<br>> community based on sharing and giving it would be good to see this extended<br>> beyond the code.<br>><br>> Kylie Willison<br>><br>><br>><br>> On 19 October 2013 07:31, Robyn Willison <robyn@robynspcs.com> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Pensioners and Unemployed pay student pricing, I have to ask every year.<br>>> I ask if the website can be updated to represent this and I don't think<br>>> it's happened yet.<br>>><br>>> Obviously some people here think we earn outrageously more than students.<br>>><br>>> Robyn<br>>><br>>> On 18/10/2013 11:36 PM, David Lloyd wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > Let's try this again:<br>>> ><br>>> > On 18/10/2013, at 9:40 PM, Stewart Smith <stewart@flamingspork.com><br>>> > wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> >> David Lloyd <lloy0076@adam.com.au> writes:<br>>> >>> So, let me summarise:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> * The poor should pay full price.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Am I missing something here?<br>>> >><br>>> >> I think so, the hobbyist price is a discounted price, and that's an<br>>> >> important thing here.<br>>> ><br>>> > Ok, so, the poor should pay full price - I want some tea. NOW.<br>>> ><br>>> > DSL<br>>> ><br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>> > linux-aus mailing list<br>>> > linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au<br>>> > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus<br>>> ><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> linux-aus mailing list<br>>> linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au<br>>> http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> linux-aus mailing list<br>> linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au<br>> http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus<br>><br><br><br><br>-- <br>--Christopher Neugebauer<br><br>Jabber: chrisjrn@gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net --<br>AIM: chrisjrn157 -- MSN: chris@neugebauer.id.au -- WWW:<br>http://chris.neugebauer.id.au -- Twitter/Identi.ca: @chrisjrn<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>linux-aus mailing list<br>linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au<br>http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus<br></body>