[Linux-aus] linux-aus Digest, Vol 47, Issue 45
elliottbrennan at gmail.com
Sat Feb 26 19:02:25 EST 2011
> Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>
> Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:03:47 +1000
> I also see David Newalls comments:
> "I'm generally opposed to discrimination on the
...So called "affirmative action" policies fall
> into this area in
They don't. There is no two ways about this and to
claim otherwise is merely an expression of
personal belief and not one which is agreed to by
current legislation or policy.
If comments such as this are made they should be
prefaced with "I believe without any evidence
> We are all in this now because we want to be, I'd
> stop short of saying "it's in our blood",
You should stop short too. Such comments are
merely rhetorical and slyly infer some
'naturalness'. There is nothing 'natural' about
it, ie. there is nothing in the nature of men
which leads you to this. Furthermore any claims
that you just 'kept trying' due to interest and
that's why you are where you are is pure hubris
and fails to recognise the intersection of a whole
collection of cultural and historical factors
which preceded your birth and provided
opportunities which you personally would not be
able to create, as well as those factors which
existed following your birth and during your life
Additionally, the 'we're all in this because we
want to be' ignores the people who would like to
change careers but cannot because they either:
have no other skills, need the money, have
commitments which require them to remain, feel to
depressed or lack confidence to 'move on' or
cannot work out where else they'd rather be.
There are many sly ways of inferring some
superiority or naturalness to a circumstance and
the 'we're all' and 'in the blood' throw-aways are
> could be seen as an attempt to entice people who
> currently have no interest, to gain an interest.
No. It's not. It is to create a circumstance
within which people who feel excluded, who have
few opportunities to become engaged and who are
actively discriminated against will feel these
opportunities speak to them.
> The Human Rights commission who deal with such
> things as discrimination, could find it
Nope. Seriously. No. I don't know why people who
have no information or experience in these matter
continue to throw out queries and questions
without checking some basic facts.
I suggest the following: do exactly what you are
suggesting could possibly bring about this 'query'
from HREOC (Human Rights and Equal Employment
Opportunities Commission), receive your 'knock
back' and then contact HREOC.
I've seen enough 'queries' like yours to be
confident about the outcome.
If like thinkers have some evidence, please
present it as this thread is sorely in need of
examples of reputable theoretical and research
studies which provide a counter balance to the
'projects like Ada are necessary' argument.
All I've read in the counter-arguments so far are
some personal airy-fairy throw away lines which
don't pass muster and which are evidence only of a
lack of education and reading in the area under
For the sake of clarity: I'm not familiar enough
with the LA policies and practices to comment on
how the donation has been made, but I am educated
and experienced enough to pass comment on whether
the project has worthwhile goals and meets a need
and whether discrimination against women exists.
There is enough evidence for a blind man to
find...if he has the skills, ability and interest
to find out and the 'natural inclination' to put
in the effort that 'all of have'.
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