[Linux-aus] Re: DMCA on slashdot

Kelly Daly kelly.daly at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 12:03:01 UTC 2006

Hi Mark,

This argument isn't just about the media.  These have been chosen as an
example of what *most* people would understand due to the populatrity of
dvds, cds, ipods, etc - what we like to do for our own entertainment...  To
go into everything it may or may not effect in their daily lives will be too

Take a look at the following before making the blanket statement that
nothing has happened.

This is stuff that HAS happened.  These are REAL cases.  It has happened
where the DMCA has already been introduced - having said that, the USA also
have fair use laws to protect them from a large extent of it.  We don't.
That is the scary bit.  It's also the bit where people go "oh, there's too
many pages of that to read, so I won't bother".  To go into the detail would
mean that most people would never know anything about it, which is why we
target what they do know and what they don't want to lose.  A
teensie-weensie portion of the problem.

The people who have had something to say on this mailing list are passionate
for a reason - not just because it's cool to get involved or to panic for
panics sake.


On 7/7/06, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> Adam Hawes wrote:
> > We are getting DMCA and DRM in some form whether we like it
> > or not.
> Agreed.  But thankfully it won't make any difference to anything.
> The copyfights have been going on for the last decade, at least.
> At every step of the way the content industry has said that they're
> about to go out of business, and folks like us have said that culture
> as we know it is going to be firewalled.
> The fight has been going on for long enough that if either of those
> things were going to happen they'd have happened already.  But,
> no, they haven't, and what we have instead is a ten-year-long string
> of failed predictions made by people who, somehow, expect to maintain
> their credibility when they make their next predictions, which will
> be just as inevitably wrong when we review them in a few years time.
> I don't trust the four-letter-industry-associations.  But I don't
> have much more faith in the activists on the other side, either.
> They've been just as wrong for just as long, after all.  Despite the
> corporatization of media in recent years and the shrill arguments
> about how much damage it'd do to society, in 2006 we're able to
> use more types of media in more ways, on more devices, more creatively,
> and cheaper than we've ever been able to use it in human history.  So,
> like, who cares?  Art is still being produced, derivative works are
> still adding to the wealth of human creativity, the planet has not
> turned into a Disneyland-style theme park dominated by corporate
> culture owners.
> I think the next ten years is going to give us more of the same, DMCA
> or no DMCA.  Copyright will continue to be a stupid law;  Citizens
> who object to the stupidity will continue to infringe;  and copyright
> owners will continue to sabre-rattle by spending ridiculous amounts
> of money on show-trials for a negligible proportion of the infringing
> population, in a vain attempt to induce the infringers who giggle at
> the "Don't Steal Music!" ads in the cinema to give it a second thought
> before they burn their next DVD
> And laws will continue to get stricter, in the breathtakingly bizarre
> (but sadly predictable) belief that the way to stop people from breaking
> laws is to make more of them.
> The end-game for the copyfights will be a copyright law which says
> that any use whatsoever of creative content is illegal, which is
> routinely ignored by every living, breathing, sentient being on the
> planet.
> Who wants to archive this thread and come back in ten years to review
> it? :-)
>    - mark
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