Hi Mark,<br>
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This argument isn't just about the media. These have been chosen
as an example of what *most* people would understand due to the
populatrity of dvds, cds, ipods, etc - what we like to do for our own
entertainment... To go into everything it may or may not effect
in their daily lives will be too much.<br>
<br>
Take a look at the following before making the blanket statement that nothing has happened. <br>
<a href="http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php">http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php</a><br>
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This is stuff that HAS happened. These are REAL cases. It
has happened where the DMCA has already been introduced - having said
that, the USA also have fair use laws to protect them from a large
extent of it. We don't. That is the scary bit. It's
also the bit where people go "oh, there's too many pages of that to
read, so I won't bother". To go into the detail would mean that
most people would never know anything about it, which is why we target
what they do know and what they don't want to lose. A
teensie-weensie portion of the problem.<br>
<br>
The people who have had something to say on this mailing list are
passionate for a reason - not just because it's cool to get involved or
to panic for panics sake.<br><br>
Cheers,<br>
Kelly<br>
<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/7/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mark Newton</b> <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Adam Hawes wrote:<br><br>> We are getting DMCA and DRM in some form whether we like it<br>> or not.<br><br>Agreed. But thankfully it won't make any difference to anything.<br><br>The copyfights have been going on for the last decade, at least.
<br>At every step of the way the content industry has said that they're<br>about to go out of business, and folks like us have said that culture<br>as we know it is going to be firewalled.<br><br>The fight has been going on for long enough that if either of those
<br>things were going to happen they'd have happened already. But,<br>no, they haven't, and what we have instead is a ten-year-long string<br>of failed predictions made by people who, somehow, expect to maintain<br>their credibility when they make their next predictions, which will
<br>be just as inevitably wrong when we review them in a few years time.<br><br>I don't trust the four-letter-industry-associations. But I don't<br>have much more faith in the activists on the other side, either.<br>They've been just as wrong for just as long, after all. Despite the
<br>corporatization of media in recent years and the shrill arguments<br>about how much damage it'd do to society, in 2006 we're able to<br>use more types of media in more ways, on more devices, more creatively,<br>and cheaper than we've ever been able to use it in human history. So,
<br>like, who cares? Art is still being produced, derivative works are<br>still adding to the wealth of human creativity, the planet has not<br>turned into a Disneyland-style theme park dominated by corporate<br>culture owners.
<br><br>I think the next ten years is going to give us more of the same, DMCA<br>or no DMCA. Copyright will continue to be a stupid law; Citizens<br>who object to the stupidity will continue to infringe; and copyright<br>
owners will continue to sabre-rattle by spending ridiculous amounts<br>of money on show-trials for a negligible proportion of the infringing<br>population, in a vain attempt to induce the infringers who giggle at<br>the "Don't Steal Music!" ads in the cinema to give it a second thought
<br>before they burn their next DVD<br><br>And laws will continue to get stricter, in the breathtakingly bizarre<br>(but sadly predictable) belief that the way to stop people from breaking<br>laws is to make more of them.
<br><br>The end-game for the copyfights will be a copyright law which says<br>that any use whatsoever of creative content is illegal, which is<br>routinely ignored by every living, breathing, sentient being on the<br>planet.
<br><br>Who wants to archive this thread and come back in ten years to review<br>it? :-)<br><br> - mark<br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------<br>I
tried an internal
modem, <a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a><br> but
it hurt when I
walked. Mark
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