[Linux-aus] About a User Conference (was...)
mikal at stillhq.com
Tue Mar 1 08:49:02 UTC 2005
Anand Kumria wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 08:53:46AM +1100, Michael Still wrote:
>>>- there are a bunch of people in Canberra who know how to make
>>>- I don't mind running another conference
>>>- users are extremely price sensitive
> Note anything more than $0 is too much.
Perhaps. How do you fund an event without having any money though?
>>>The market is "ripe" for a user conference in Australia. The underlying
>>>premise of this proposal is that there is now a group of people in
>>>Canberra who understand how to run an event, having just done it, who
>>>are capable of running said user conference.
> Actually there are now people in all cities of Australia who know how to
> run an LCA-style event. There are people in all cities of Australia who
> know how to run a LUG-style event.
Yes. None of them have made a proposal for such an event though. If one
of them would like to do so, then that would be fine.
> Since you haven't given indicative numbers you would expect to bring
> along to a 'LUGcon' it is hard to judge which group of people would be
> more approriate to run things. LUG tend to do 40 - 80 people events
> every month without issue. LCA tends to do 400 - 500 people events every
> year without major issue.
> Different skills are necessary to organise those events. Anyway rather
> than directly responding to you, I've summarised and paraphrased you.
> [ snip ]
> [ national event - but simpler ]
> [ two streams: 'introductory user' 'introductory programmer' ]
> Which means that perceive that there is some event that covers
> 'intermediate users' and 'intermediate programmers'? I think if you
> aim for any demographic outside of 'user' your proposal isn't targetted
Perhaps. Compare and contrast that with the vast majority of comments on
this list that have suggested that two streams is not enough.
> LCA caters, to a degree, to introductory programmers. Davyd Madeley,
> for example, was exposed to Jeff Waugh at one of the previous LCAs and
> now contributes regularly to GNOME.
Absolutely. I was more thinking of Windows-centric ISV / bespoke
programmers wanting to port their worlds to Linux / open source however.
> If you are going for this kind of event you want something where people
> can go 'oh, that looks interesting (setting IPsec for fun and fun)' if
> an 'introductory session' seems to simple. That also allows those who
> might find IPsec too complex to 'throttle down' for a particular
Perhaps. The idea behind the proposal was that small is beautiful. The
event can get more complex over time. Compare the complexity of LCA 2001
with that of LCA 2005.
> [ venue considerations, food, price (AUD$100) ]
> As I said above, anything more $0 is too much. I also think having an
> event where everyone gathers together is wrong for a user focused event.
> I think it would be simpler, and cheaper, to organise the speakers and
> instead have the event over 4 weekends.
I would be surprised if a lot of speakers have that much spare time to
devote to an event of this sort.
> 1 weekend in Melbourne, the next in Canberra (if necessary), next Sydney
> and then Brisbane. Planes, trains and automobiles can be used to ferry
> speakers from location to location. Doing it over a month means you can
> even have slightly different topics (en_AU.south.of.NSW localisation,
> for example) for different areas.
How do you cover the expense of this when you're not charging admission,
and have no previous event successes of this form to show sponsors?
> [ trade show and exhibitors ]
> [ funding proposal; joint LA / AUUG ]
> [ chain of command; LA to bear insurance risk ]
> Your funding proposal is interesting. I suspect you must be all for
> 'matrix reporting'. I think you need to pick your master and yoke
> yourself to them properly rather than trying indepedant.
> If you are the one doing all the work, then you should pick the
> organisation you are comfortable working with. That organisation should
> also provide you with appropriate insurance cover.
> However I think you have written off exhibitors too quickly. Redhat (or
> Novell but they don't seem to respond to email unfortunately) might be
> interested since they have customers in all those locations. But 'Joe
> Linux Computer Shoppee' in Brisvegas will probably only be interested in
> support LUGcon/brisbane.
> I did some rough calculations and I suspect you could arrange all this
> for between $5000/city.
> [ proposed schedule ]
> [ proposed date; September ]
> I see nothing wrong with your schedule except I believe you should focus
> on 'introductory' and 'intermediate' users rather than programmers.
Perhaps. It was labeled as a draft proposal though -- I wrote it with
only a couple of hours having been spent on considering the details.
> The date is okay but I don't believe you should ever take into
> consideration when any other event is being held. You are aiming for a
> different demographic -- your problem is going to be speaker
> availability. Since any other event isn't likely to run over 4 weekend
> you can essentially guarantee availabilty of speakers for one or two of
> the LUGcon session.
Perhaps. I will meditate on this.
(I suspect the idea is going no where by the way. I don't sense a
concensus happening on this list at the moment. There are approximately
three competing visions for the event at the moment, and I don't think
there is a clear winner.)
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