[Lugcomms] Log of LUG IRC Meeting on 26 May
Don Knowles
donakk at gmail.com
Wed Jun 3 00:58:49 EST 2009
Hi,
Herewith my log of the meet, somewhat edited for brevity, including removing
my connection drop-outs!
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 26 19:45:43 2009
19:45:43 * Now talking on #linux-aus-lugs
<snip>
19:48:33 <PaulWay> Looks like it's going to be another quiet meeting...
19:48:56 <donak> g'day all
19:49:04 <donak> my mob should join, I think
19:49:41 <donak> and KatteKrab is here, she'll take charge :-)
19:52:48 * dns53 (n=dns at ppp246-215.static.internode.on.net) has joined
#linux-aus-lugs
19:57:15 * Jiko (n=brad at morbo.oz.org) has joined #linux-aus-lugs
19:57:57 <PaulWay> KatteKrab: you awake? :-)
<snip>
20:00:15 <PaulWay> I'm having an old-school synth refresher :-)
20:00:35 <PaulWay> Mein Gott, the donaks are multiplying!
<snip>
20:02:08 <Jiko> oh dear, more of him
<snip>
20:02:18 <frazld2> grrrr, a flaky connection is always fun
20:03:52 <frazld2> < donak
20:05:49 <frazld2> we've got an ADSL2+ connection, but it's been doing
some odd things lately
20:06:11 <PaulWay> heh.
20:06:22 <PaulWay> Ah, technology, eh?
20:06:29 <frazld2> solution has been to disconnect it when everything
stops working ... but apparently it "self-repaired" while I was trying to
"fix it"
20:06:33 <dns53> you do need to tune adsl2+ at the highest setting we
loose sync after 20 seconds
20:06:37 <PaulWay> Well, where's everyone from while we wait for someone
to organise this meeting?
20:07:21 <PaulWay> I'm from Canberra and I'm trying to organise an
Install Fest for this weekend.
20:07:22 <frazld2> < Don Knowles, CQLUG (in Rockhampton)
20:07:34 <PaulWay> How's CQLUG going?
20:07:49 <PaulWay> I can't remember if you'd had a face-to-face meeting
at some stage.
20:08:30 * Jiko <- Brad Marshall, CQLUG, Ex-HUMBUG
20:09:13 <PaulWay> < Paul Wayper.
20:09:28 <PaulWay> I need to get myself a nick like axp8o or something,
my name is too easy to guess :-)
20:09:42 <frazld2> we've had a few Saturday meetings at the CQ Uni,
courtesy of one of our number who got us into the "Access Grid" room ...
seriously cool, I projected an installation of Ubuntu 9.04 on the wall :-)
20:11:35 <PaulWay> Ooooh, nice!
20:11:48 <PaulWay> We have an access grid room in the ANU but we're not
allowed to touch it.
20:11:53 <PaulWay> It's the CSIRO's apparently.
20:12:01 <PaulWay> Anyone else awake in the channel?
20:12:08 <frazld2> this one is run by the bloke who lets us in, Jason
20:12:34 <PaulWay> Ah, right.
20:12:39 <PaulWay> Fair enough then :-)
20:12:47 <frazld2> I make him nervous occasionally, when I ask if there's
any chance of a quick download ... and start counting hard drives :-)
20:13:04 <frazld2> I think he gets the joke ...
20:13:09 <Jiko> frazld2: he sits in the same room as the network manager,
he'd get in trouble quick if something happened :)
20:13:32 <PaulWay> CQ is on AARNET, isn't it?
20:13:38 <frazld2> if I'm not mistaken, he is the network manager ... and
everything else
20:13:44 <PaulWay> Pulling something of mirror.linux.org.au or
mirror.aarnet.edu.au would be OK.
20:13:49 <frazld2> the Grid is his baby
20:14:01 <Jiko> frazld2: the grid is his baby, the rest of the network -
not so much
20:15:07 <frazld2> I'm sure he'd manage to hack his way around if he
needed too, he just gets nervous when he sees the greedy gleam in my eyes!
20:15:55 <frazld2> how long does it take for nicks to "ping timeout" on
freenode? I was expecting donak and frazld to drop off sooner than this?
20:16:24 <PaulWay> Dunno.
20:16:46 <PaulWay> BTW, can you cast your eyes over the document at
http://mabula.net/installfest/ and let me know what you think?
20:16:59 <dns53> i think freenode times out after 2 minutes
20:17:11 * donak has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:17:40 <frazld2> bingo!
20:17:47 <frazld2> pardon me for a moment
20:17:52 * You are now known as donak
20:17:52 -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a
different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
20:18:05 <PaulWay> You can boot them off if you want to.
20:18:39 <donak> I know, it used to be a regular thing early in my
experience of IRC ... but not lately
20:19:31 * frazld has quit (Read error: 111 (Connection refused))
20:21:21 <donak> Paul, looks good ... not mentioning any light weight
distros, or liveCDs?
20:21:43 <PaulWay> I didn't want to confuse the issue.
20:22:01 <PaulWay> But you raise a good point, I should put something
about 'supported hardware' there.
20:22:37 <donak> I confess to being a bit nutty in that direction ... I
was seriously impressed the first time I heard about DSL at just 50MB total
20:22:50 <donak> then I heard about some that are down to 10MB or so ...
20:23:50 <donak> and I also feel an opportunity for promoting Linux is
"bring along your old PC, and we can install a light weight distro to get it
running again
20:24:34 <PaulWay> Yeah, it is a good point.
20:24:36 <donak> I've got a Pentium2 333mhz PC sitting on the kitchen
table, runs Linux Mint with xfce like it was made for it
20:25:14 <donak> mind you, I tend to get a bit "wordy" about it (see
above ;-/)
20:25:46 <donak> well, it's 8:25, did we have an agenda?
20:26:26 <donak> I sent an email in response to the log of last months
meeting, but it's "awaiting moderator approval"
20:26:38 <PaulWay> I've been asking on the list, no word.
20:26:48 <donak> apparently I included an explicit address or some such
20:26:58 <PaulWay> I got your email from the list but your address isn't
subscribed and it would seem that no-one has the moderator password for the
lugcomms list :-(
20:27:27 <PaulWay> Sorry, I /saw/ your email - I'm one of the moderators,
but I've forgotten my password ;-(
20:27:32 <donak> I though I had subscribed ... nm, I'll fix it tonight
20:27:56 <donak> that's cool, I have to look up the email with my
password every time
20:28:16 <PaulWay> Do you think I've missed anything important off that
page?
20:28:43 <donak> not that I can see, succinct, economic ... message
delivered, no huhu
20:29:11 <donak> mind if I steal it?
20:29:37 <donak> I'll file off the serial numbers and convert to use for
Rockhampton :-)
20:29:49 <PaulWay> I'm wondering if I should put an 'other benefits'
section.
20:29:52 <PaulWay> No, go right ahead.
20:30:02 <PaulWay> I should put the page under CC license anyway.
20:30:13 <donak> LiveCD as a rescue CD for "that other O/S" :-)
20:30:27 <PaulWay> That's the back-up plan on the day.
20:30:44 <PaulWay> See also "what the install fest is not" :-)
20:31:56 <donak> yes, saw that ... makes sense, hardware problems are
only solved with solder or new parts
20:32:53 <donak> has there been any inkling of the "LUG in a box" thing
that we discussed ages ago?
20:34:14 <PaulWay> A very small part.
20:34:18 <PaulWay> I need more time.
20:34:31 <PaulWay> I need a large body of enthusiastic Python programmers
to work on it :-)
20:34:56 <donak> I understand it's not easy to do, just curious if anyone
was still working on it, since I'd heard nothing at all in a while
20:35:04 <Jiko> PaulWay: you need to put something out there and get all
the Python geeks to say how much better they could do it :)
20:35:30 <PaulWay> Jiko: true, although I'd rather they say "hey, that's
awesome, I can contribute something to that" :-)
20:35:38 <dns53> what do you need in a lug in a box?
20:35:54 <Jiko> PaulWay: either / or :)
20:36:21 <PaulWay> dns53: the 'club-in-a-box' system is a basic system to
organise the things that LUGs do.
20:37:08 <PaulWay> A meeting organiser, a calendar with same, some common
pages and info, some extra plugins like a front-end to mailman and so forth.
20:37:12 <donak> my understanding is : website, mailing list, maybe wiki
, all in one place
20:37:20 <PaulWay> Yeah.
20:37:36 <PaulWay> I've started a project in the Django framework.
20:38:20 <PaulWay> http://tangram.dnsalias.net/trac/clubinabox is the
Trac project for it.
20:38:41 <dns53> isn't it more of a system admin task? create a virtual
image or install scripts to customise a centos instance etc
20:39:09 <PaulWay> The idea is that Linux Australia will package that
plus the software to run it in a virtual machine, which confusingly is
called lug-in-a-box, and run it for any new LUG that wants to start up.
20:39:40 <PaulWay> And if you get down the track and want to run it on
your own server, then they just send you the xen domU or whatever.
20:40:39 <PaulWay> I've called mine 'club-in-a-box' because it's a
slightly more generic project.
20:40:52 <PaulWay> They're related, really, and I haven't thought of a
better way to distinguish them.
20:41:16 <donak> PaulWay, in line with the OpenDISC you sorted last year,
do you think LA would be up for a liveCD (minus install scripts, minus
anything hazardous) to give people as a demo?
<snip>
20:42:40 <PaulWay> I like your idea but once you customise a LiveCD it
becomes rather more complicated.
<snip>
20:43:24 <PaulWay> I don't see the problem with giving LiveCDs out - the
definition of "anything hazardous" is going to depend on how paranoid you
are and how anti-intelligent the recipient is.
20:43:30 <donak> I vaguely recall Knoppix being difficult/impossible to
install at one stage ... that's what put the idea in my head
20:43:56 <PaulWay> I haven't tried a Fedora or an Ubuntu LiveCD recently
- I might do that this weekend.
20:45:25 <donak> Ubuntu was the one I demo'd on Saturday at our meet ...
simple process, answer 7 questions after booting as a liveCD
20:45:40 <donak> Fedora is much the same these days
20:46:10 <donak> I'm going to try (again) with Debian, to see if they've
changed it any, someday soon
20:46:42 <donak> I got 4.0 installed ... earlier versions were impossible
from where I stand
20:47:19 <donak> hopefully Lenny 5.0 will be civilised
20:47:57 <PaulWay> *nods*
<snip>
20:50:19 <frazld> round again ...
20:50:33 <PaulWay> Yeah.
20:50:34 <PaulWay> :-(
20:51:21 <PaulWay> And at this stage I just have so many things on my
plate that I'm a bit loath to take on another one.
20:53:21 <frazld> I know the feeling ... a friend asked my if I could
take a look at her PC ... I was a bit shocked when I realised I did in fact
have a "hole" in my diary
20:54:15 <PaulWay> Hahahaha :-)
20:54:43 <frazld> not to say room on the workbench to do it, too
20:54:53 <PaulWay> Now that's precious space!~
20:55:25 <frazld> not a lot of room, mind you, but if I put that one on
the floor, and that one back in the bedroom ... you get the idea I'm sure
20:55:45 * PaulWay is surrounded by UFOs.
20:57:38 <frazld> UFOs?
20:58:20 <dns53> unidentified failing operating systems?
20:59:45 <PaulWay> Unfinished Objects
21:00:09 <frazld> I'm surrounded by cannibalised objects :-)
21:01:26 <PaulWay> Heh
21:02:52 <frazld> anyway, that's 9 pm here, looks like we 4 have been the
life of the party ... is there anything else we want/need to discuss?
21:04:08 <frazld> (I'm just glad I made it here, after missing two in a
row or somesuch)
21:05:20 <PaulWay> I have a half-completed two-output headphones
amplifier, some knitting, a bunch of batteries I need to find a use for, my
new hard drive for when I upgrade this laptop to F-11, an old hard drive
that needs a pin delicately attached back onto it, CDs I need to put away, a
half-built MythTV front end, a half-built server, two dozen wooden bowls
from a sale, a bunch of hard drives that need to be put back in storage, a
21:05:20 <PaulWay> bunch of filing that needs to be put back in storage,
a half-completed server, some books that need a good home, my toolkit,
someone else's wood project, some things I need to sell on eBay, some more
filing that I need to dispose of, some wool and knitting needles that need
to be put away, my roleplaying gear that I need to work on, and a bunch of
photos I need to decide what to do with.
21:05:33 <PaulWay> Awesome - Xchat split it in two.
21:05:43 <PaulWay> And that's just the projects I can see in this room
:-/
21:06:01 <PaulWay> Yeah, let's wrap this non-meeting up.
21:06:01 <frazld> flood protection?
21:06:13 <PaulWay> Probably.
21:06:33 <PaulWay> (I haven't mentioned the projects that are under other
projects...)
21:06:53 <frazld> OK, do you want me to put a synopsis on the mailing
list ... after I subscribe of course
<snip>
21:07:30 <frazld> and is it worth sending to the general list too? to
bring it to "greater notice" possibly?
21:08:58 <PaulWay> That'd be great, frazld donak.
21:09:01 <PaulWay> Yeah.
21:09:32 <PaulWay> I don't know what the situation is with Linux
Australia officially helping the LUG Comms stuff along...
21:10:31 <frazld> I know a lot of you professional types have a million
emails a day, but should the LUG stuff be rolled into the LA mailing list?
would boost the busy'ness of it?
21:10:50 <frazld> bring it to greater attention etc.
21:13:01 <frazld> anyway, I'll suggest it in both mailing lists and see
what sort of reaction it gets :-)
21:13:48 <frazld> right now I'm going to wander off for a little while
... bye PaulWay Jiko dns53
21:14:48 <PaulWay> Yep, see you soon!
21:29:29 <Jiko> I'm out of here too, have fun all
21:29:33 * Jiko (n=brad at morbo.oz.org) has left #linux-aus-lugs
22:01:05 <KatteKrab> Sorry PaulWay - we had to reschedule luv ctte
meeting... had a clash.
22:01:15 <KatteKrab> thanks for picking things up! :)
22:01:26 <PaulWay> I'm afraid I didn't...
22:01:34 <KatteKrab> looks like something happened :)
22:01:36 <PaulWay> I didn't organise a meeting or anything.
22:01:42 <PaulWay> We just talked.
22:01:44 <KatteKrab> and really the point is just to have a chat
22:01:45 <PaulWay> But thanks.
22:01:49 <KatteKrab> so - mission accomplished :)
22:01:52 <PaulWay> How've you been?
22:01:54 <PaulWay> Ta.
22:02:10 <PaulWay> I'm feeling very tired and overworked so a bit of a
compliment is very appreciated.
22:02:46 <KatteKrab> well - I am very grateful you were here, and
prompted a chat. is all good!
22:02:50 <KatteKrab> me ok :)
22:02:58 <PaulWay> *nods*
22:03:02 <KatteKrab> had some chat tonight about preparations for
software freedom day
22:03:15 <KatteKrab> which is probably something we should actively put
on agenda for next meeting....
22:03:25 <KatteKrab> probably have some interim discussion.
22:03:28 <KatteKrab> registrations have opened.
22:03:47 <KatteKrab> co-ordinate national press releases...
22:03:57 <PaulWay> Righto.
22:04:07 <KatteKrab> make sure all team events are finalised enough in
advance so we can try and get some media attention
22:04:14 <KatteKrab> hit local ABC radio stations.
22:04:18 <KatteKrab> encourage regional events...
22:04:23 <KatteKrab> that sorta stuff.
22:04:38 <PaulWay> Yeah.
22:04:41 <KatteKrab> tired and overworked = not good PaulWay
22:04:49 <PaulWay> Yeah.
22:04:51 <KatteKrab> that way leads to swine flu.
22:04:56 <PaulWay> Heh.
22:05:36 <PaulWay> I'm planning to relax totally on Sunday afternoon so I
can pick up something suitably virulent from roleplaying while my guard is
down and then have a week off work resting.
22:07:27 <PaulWay> I've been working on an installfest for this weekend -
care to have a read of http://mabula.net/installfest for me?
22:19:33 <PaulWay> Anyway, early bedtime for me - thanks for your
encouragement.
22:19:37 <PaulWay> See you soon!
22:19:40 * PaulWay (n=paulway at ppp59-167-53-187.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net)
has left #linux-aus-lugs ("Argh! The Ninjas have struck again!")
23:10:11 * KatteKrab has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:10:58 * KatteKrab (n=kattekra at luv/committee/kattekrab) has joined
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23:12:36 <frazld> hi KatteKrab
23:13:00 <KatteKrab> hey frazld
23:15:54 <frazld> whoops! I'm usually donak ... had a few connection
problems
23:16:08 * frazld sets mode -e frazld
23:16:08 * You are now known as donak
23:16:08 -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a
different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
23:19:34 <KatteKrab> hehe
23:19:37 <KatteKrab> hey donak!
May 27 00:46:04 <donak> nite all
May 27 00:46:10 * Disconnected ().
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 27 00:46:10 2009
--
Don Knowles
PO Box 358 Rockhampton 4700 AUSTRALIA
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