Hi,<br>Herewith my log of the meet, somewhat edited for brevity, including removing my connection drop-outs!<br><br>**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 26 19:45:43 2009<br>19:45:43 * Now talking on #linux-aus-lugs<br><snip><br>
19:48:33 <PaulWay> Looks like it's going to be another quiet meeting...<br>19:48:56 <donak> g'day all<br>19:49:04 <donak> my mob should join, I think<br>19:49:41 <donak> and KatteKrab is here, she'll take charge :-)<br>
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19:57:57 <PaulWay> KatteKrab: you awake? :-)<br><snip><br>20:00:15 <PaulWay> I'm having an old-school synth refresher :-)<br>20:00:35 <PaulWay> Mein Gott, the donaks are multiplying!<br>
<snip><br>20:02:08 <Jiko> oh dear, more of him<br><snip><br>20:02:18 <frazld2> grrrr, a flaky connection is always fun<br>20:03:52 <frazld2> < donak<br>20:05:49 <frazld2> we've got an ADSL2+ connection, but it's been doing some odd things lately<br>
20:06:11 <PaulWay> heh.<br>20:06:22 <PaulWay> Ah, technology, eh?<br>20:06:29 <frazld2> solution has been to disconnect it when everything stops working ... but apparently it "self-repaired" while I was trying to "fix it"<br>
20:06:33 <dns53> you do need to tune adsl2+ at the highest setting we loose sync after 20 seconds<br>20:06:37 <PaulWay> Well, where's everyone from while we wait for someone to organise this meeting?<br>
20:07:21 <PaulWay> I'm from Canberra and I'm trying to organise an Install Fest for this weekend.<br>20:07:22 <frazld2> < Don Knowles, CQLUG (in Rockhampton)<br>20:07:34 <PaulWay> How's CQLUG going?<br>
20:07:49 <PaulWay> I can't remember if you'd had a face-to-face meeting at some stage.<br>20:08:30 * Jiko <- Brad Marshall, CQLUG, Ex-HUMBUG<br>20:09:13 <PaulWay> < Paul Wayper.<br>20:09:28 <PaulWay> I need to get myself a nick like axp8o or something, my name is too easy to guess :-)<br>
20:09:42 <frazld2> we've had a few Saturday meetings at the CQ Uni, courtesy of one of our number who got us into the "Access Grid" room ... seriously cool, I projected an installation of Ubuntu 9.04 on the wall :-)<br>
20:11:35 <PaulWay> Ooooh, nice!<br>20:11:48 <PaulWay> We have an access grid room in the ANU but we're not allowed to touch it.<br>20:11:53 <PaulWay> It's the CSIRO's apparently.<br>
20:12:01 <PaulWay> Anyone else awake in the channel?<br>20:12:08 <frazld2> this one is run by the bloke who lets us in, Jason<br>20:12:34 <PaulWay> Ah, right.<br>20:12:39 <PaulWay> Fair enough then :-)<br>
20:12:47 <frazld2> I make him nervous occasionally, when I ask if there's any chance of a quick download ... and start counting hard drives :-)<br>20:13:04 <frazld2> I think he gets the joke ...<br>20:13:09 <Jiko> frazld2: he sits in the same room as the network manager, he'd get in trouble quick if something happened :)<br>
20:13:32 <PaulWay> CQ is on AARNET, isn't it?<br>20:13:38 <frazld2> if I'm not mistaken, he is the network manager ... and everything else<br>20:13:44 <PaulWay> Pulling something of <a href="http://mirror.linux.org.au">mirror.linux.org.au</a> or <a href="http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au">mirror.aarnet.edu.au</a> would be OK.<br>
20:13:49 <frazld2> the Grid is his baby<br>20:14:01 <Jiko> frazld2: the grid is his baby, the rest of the network - not so much<br>20:15:07 <frazld2> I'm sure he'd manage to hack his way around if he needed too, he just gets nervous when he sees the greedy gleam in my eyes!<br>
20:15:55 <frazld2> how long does it take for nicks to "ping timeout" on freenode? I was expecting donak and frazld to drop off sooner than this?<br>20:16:24 <PaulWay> Dunno.<br>20:16:46 <PaulWay> BTW, can you cast your eyes over the document at <a href="http://mabula.net/installfest/">http://mabula.net/installfest/</a> and let me know what you think?<br>
20:16:59 <dns53> i think freenode times out after 2 minutes<br>20:17:11 * donak has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))<br>20:17:40 <frazld2> bingo!<br>20:17:47 <frazld2> pardon me for a moment<br>
20:17:52 * You are now known as donak<br>20:17:52 -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.<br>20:18:05 <PaulWay> You can boot them off if you want to.<br>
20:18:39 <donak> I know, it used to be a regular thing early in my experience of IRC ... but not lately<br>20:19:31 * frazld has quit (Read error: 111 (Connection refused))<br>20:21:21 <donak> Paul, looks good ... not mentioning any light weight distros, or liveCDs?<br>
20:21:43 <PaulWay> I didn't want to confuse the issue.<br>20:22:01 <PaulWay> But you raise a good point, I should put something about 'supported hardware' there.<br>20:22:37 <donak> I confess to being a bit nutty in that direction ... I was seriously impressed the first time I heard about DSL at just 50MB total<br>
20:22:50 <donak> then I heard about some that are down to 10MB or so ...<br>20:23:50 <donak> and I also feel an opportunity for promoting Linux is "bring along your old PC, and we can install a light weight distro to get it running again<br>
20:24:34 <PaulWay> Yeah, it is a good point.<br>20:24:36 <donak> I've got a Pentium2 333mhz PC sitting on the kitchen table, runs Linux Mint with xfce like it was made for it<br>20:25:14 <donak> mind you, I tend to get a bit "wordy" about it (see above ;-/)<br>
20:25:46 <donak> well, it's 8:25, did we have an agenda?<br>20:26:26 <donak> I sent an email in response to the log of last months meeting, but it's "awaiting moderator approval"<br>20:26:38 <PaulWay> I've been asking on the list, no word.<br>
20:26:48 <donak> apparently I included an explicit address or some such<br>20:26:58 <PaulWay> I got your email from the list but your address isn't subscribed and it would seem that no-one has the moderator password for the lugcomms list :-(<br>
20:27:27 <PaulWay> Sorry, I /saw/ your email - I'm one of the moderators, but I've forgotten my password ;-(<br>20:27:32 <donak> I though I had subscribed ... nm, I'll fix it tonight<br>20:27:56 <donak> that's cool, I have to look up the email with my password every time<br>
20:28:16 <PaulWay> Do you think I've missed anything important off that page?<br>20:28:43 <donak> not that I can see, succinct, economic ... message delivered, no huhu<br>20:29:11 <donak> mind if I steal it?<br>
20:29:37 <donak> I'll file off the serial numbers and convert to use for Rockhampton :-)<br>20:29:49 <PaulWay> I'm wondering if I should put an 'other benefits' section.<br>20:29:52 <PaulWay> No, go right ahead.<br>
20:30:02 <PaulWay> I should put the page under CC license anyway.<br>20:30:13 <donak> LiveCD as a rescue CD for "that other O/S" :-)<br>20:30:27 <PaulWay> That's the back-up plan on the day.<br>
20:30:44 <PaulWay> See also "what the install fest is not" :-)<br>20:31:56 <donak> yes, saw that ... makes sense, hardware problems are only solved with solder or new parts<br>20:32:53 <donak> has there been any inkling of the "LUG in a box" thing that we discussed ages ago?<br>
20:34:14 <PaulWay> A very small part.<br>20:34:18 <PaulWay> I need more time.<br>20:34:31 <PaulWay> I need a large body of enthusiastic Python programmers to work on it :-)<br>20:34:56 <donak> I understand it's not easy to do, just curious if anyone was still working on it, since I'd heard nothing at all in a while<br>
20:35:04 <Jiko> PaulWay: you need to put something out there and get all the Python geeks to say how much better they could do it :)<br>20:35:30 <PaulWay> Jiko: true, although I'd rather they say "hey, that's awesome, I can contribute something to that" :-)<br>
20:35:38 <dns53> what do you need in a lug in a box?<br>20:35:54 <Jiko> PaulWay: either / or :)<br>20:36:21 <PaulWay> dns53: the 'club-in-a-box' system is a basic system to organise the things that LUGs do.<br>
20:37:08 <PaulWay> A meeting organiser, a calendar with same, some common pages and info, some extra plugins like a front-end to mailman and so forth.<br>20:37:12 <donak> my understanding is : website, mailing list, maybe wiki , all in one place<br>
20:37:20 <PaulWay> Yeah.<br>20:37:36 <PaulWay> I've started a project in the Django framework.<br>20:38:20 <PaulWay> <a href="http://tangram.dnsalias.net/trac/clubinabox">http://tangram.dnsalias.net/trac/clubinabox</a> is the Trac project for it.<br>
20:38:41 <dns53> isn't it more of a system admin task? create a virtual image or install scripts to customise a centos instance etc<br>20:39:09 <PaulWay> The idea is that Linux Australia will package that plus the software to run it in a virtual machine, which confusingly is called lug-in-a-box, and run it for any new LUG that wants to start up.<br>
20:39:40 <PaulWay> And if you get down the track and want to run it on your own server, then they just send you the xen domU or whatever.<br>20:40:39 <PaulWay> I've called mine 'club-in-a-box' because it's a slightly more generic project.<br>
20:40:52 <PaulWay> They're related, really, and I haven't thought of a better way to distinguish them.<br>20:41:16 <donak> PaulWay, in line with the OpenDISC you sorted last year, do you think LA would be up for a liveCD (minus install scripts, minus anything hazardous) to give people as a demo?<br>
<snip><br>20:42:40 <PaulWay> I like your idea but once you customise a LiveCD it becomes rather more complicated.<br><snip><br>20:43:24 <PaulWay> I don't see the problem with giving LiveCDs out - the definition of "anything hazardous" is going to depend on how paranoid you are and how anti-intelligent the recipient is.<br>
20:43:30 <donak> I vaguely recall Knoppix being difficult/impossible to install at one stage ... that's what put the idea in my head<br>20:43:56 <PaulWay> I haven't tried a Fedora or an Ubuntu LiveCD recently - I might do that this weekend.<br>
20:45:25 <donak> Ubuntu was the one I demo'd on Saturday at our meet ... simple process, answer 7 questions after booting as a liveCD<br>20:45:40 <donak> Fedora is much the same these days<br>20:46:10 <donak> I'm going to try (again) with Debian, to see if they've changed it any, someday soon<br>
20:46:42 <donak> I got 4.0 installed ... earlier versions were impossible from where I stand<br>20:47:19 <donak> hopefully Lenny 5.0 will be civilised<br>20:47:57 <PaulWay> *nods*<br><snip><br>
20:50:19 <frazld> round again ...<br>20:50:33 <PaulWay> Yeah.<br>20:50:34 <PaulWay> :-(<br>20:51:21 <PaulWay> And at this stage I just have so many things on my plate that I'm a bit loath to take on another one.<br>
20:53:21 <frazld> I know the feeling ... a friend asked my if I could take a look at her PC ... I was a bit shocked when I realised I did in fact have a "hole" in my diary<br>20:54:15 <PaulWay> Hahahaha :-)<br>
20:54:43 <frazld> not to say room on the workbench to do it, too<br>20:54:53 <PaulWay> Now that's precious space!~<br>20:55:25 <frazld> not a lot of room, mind you, but if I put that one on the floor, and that one back in the bedroom ... you get the idea I'm sure<br>
20:55:45 * PaulWay is surrounded by UFOs.<br>20:57:38 <frazld> UFOs?<br>20:58:20 <dns53> unidentified failing operating systems?<br>20:59:45 <PaulWay> Unfinished Objects<br>21:00:09 <frazld> I'm surrounded by cannibalised objects :-)<br>
21:01:26 <PaulWay> Heh<br>21:02:52 <frazld> anyway, that's 9 pm here, looks like we 4 have been the life of the party ... is there anything else we want/need to discuss?<br>21:04:08 <frazld> (I'm just glad I made it here, after missing two in a row or somesuch)<br>
21:05:20 <PaulWay> I have a half-completed two-output headphones amplifier, some knitting, a bunch of batteries I need to find a use for, my new hard drive for when I upgrade this laptop to F-11, an old hard drive that needs a pin delicately attached back onto it, CDs I need to put away, a half-built MythTV front end, a half-built server, two dozen wooden bowls from a sale, a bunch of hard drives that need to be put back in storage, a<br>
21:05:20 <PaulWay> bunch of filing that needs to be put back in storage, a half-completed server, some books that need a good home, my toolkit, someone else's wood project, some things I need to sell on eBay, some more filing that I need to dispose of, some wool and knitting needles that need to be put away, my roleplaying gear that I need to work on, and a bunch of photos I need to decide what to do with.<br>
21:05:33 <PaulWay> Awesome - Xchat split it in two.<br>21:05:43 <PaulWay> And that's just the projects I can see in this room :-/<br>21:06:01 <PaulWay> Yeah, let's wrap this non-meeting up.<br>
21:06:01 <frazld> flood protection?<br>21:06:13 <PaulWay> Probably.<br>21:06:33 <PaulWay> (I haven't mentioned the projects that are under other projects...)<br>21:06:53 <frazld> OK, do you want me to put a synopsis on the mailing list ... after I subscribe of course<br>
<snip><br>21:07:30 <frazld> and is it worth sending to the general list too? to bring it to "greater notice" possibly?<br>21:08:58 <PaulWay> That'd be great, frazld donak.<br>21:09:01 <PaulWay> Yeah.<br>
21:09:32 <PaulWay> I don't know what the situation is with Linux Australia officially helping the LUG Comms stuff along...<br>21:10:31 <frazld> I know a lot of you professional types have a million emails a day, but should the LUG stuff be rolled into the LA mailing list? would boost the busy'ness of it?<br>
21:10:50 <frazld> bring it to greater attention etc.<br>21:13:01 <frazld> anyway, I'll suggest it in both mailing lists and see what sort of reaction it gets :-)<br>21:13:48 <frazld> right now I'm going to wander off for a little while ... bye PaulWay Jiko dns53 <br>
21:14:48 <PaulWay> Yep, see you soon!<br>21:29:29 <Jiko> I'm out of here too, have fun all<br>21:29:33 * Jiko (n=<a href="mailto:brad@morbo.oz.org">brad@morbo.oz.org</a>) has left #linux-aus-lugs<br>
22:01:05 <KatteKrab> Sorry PaulWay - we had to reschedule luv ctte meeting... had a clash.<br>22:01:15 <KatteKrab> thanks for picking things up! :)<br>22:01:26 <PaulWay> I'm afraid I didn't...<br>
22:01:34 <KatteKrab> looks like something happened :)<br>22:01:36 <PaulWay> I didn't organise a meeting or anything.<br>22:01:42 <PaulWay> We just talked.<br>22:01:44 <KatteKrab> and really the point is just to have a chat<br>
22:01:45 <PaulWay> But thanks.<br>22:01:49 <KatteKrab> so - mission accomplished :)<br>22:01:52 <PaulWay> How've you been?<br>22:01:54 <PaulWay> Ta.<br>22:02:10 <PaulWay> I'm feeling very tired and overworked so a bit of a compliment is very appreciated.<br>
22:02:46 <KatteKrab> well - I am very grateful you were here, and prompted a chat. is all good!<br>22:02:50 <KatteKrab> me ok :)<br>22:02:58 <PaulWay> *nods*<br>22:03:02 <KatteKrab> had some chat tonight about preparations for software freedom day<br>
22:03:15 <KatteKrab> which is probably something we should actively put on agenda for next meeting....<br>22:03:25 <KatteKrab> probably have some interim discussion.<br>22:03:28 <KatteKrab> registrations have opened.<br>
22:03:47 <KatteKrab> co-ordinate national press releases...<br>22:03:57 <PaulWay> Righto.<br>22:04:07 <KatteKrab> make sure all team events are finalised enough in advance so we can try and get some media attention<br>
22:04:14 <KatteKrab> hit local ABC radio stations.<br>22:04:18 <KatteKrab> encourage regional events...<br>22:04:23 <KatteKrab> that sorta stuff.<br>22:04:38 <PaulWay> Yeah.<br>22:04:41 <KatteKrab> tired and overworked = not good PaulWay<br>
22:04:49 <PaulWay> Yeah.<br>22:04:51 <KatteKrab> that way leads to swine flu.<br>22:04:56 <PaulWay> Heh.<br>22:05:36 <PaulWay> I'm planning to relax totally on Sunday afternoon so I can pick up something suitably virulent from roleplaying while my guard is down and then have a week off work resting.<br>
22:07:27 <PaulWay> I've been working on an installfest for this weekend - care to have a read of <a href="http://mabula.net/installfest">http://mabula.net/installfest</a> for me?<br>22:19:33 <PaulWay> Anyway, early bedtime for me - thanks for your encouragement.<br>
22:19:37 <PaulWay> See you soon!<br>22:19:40 * PaulWay (n=<a href="mailto:paulway@ppp59-167-53-187.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net">paulway@ppp59-167-53-187.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net</a>) has left #linux-aus-lugs ("Argh! The Ninjas have struck again!")<br>
23:10:11 * KatteKrab has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))<br>23:10:58 * KatteKrab (n=kattekra@luv/committee/kattekrab) has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>23:12:36 <frazld> hi KatteKrab <br>23:13:00 <KatteKrab> hey frazld<br>
23:15:54 <frazld> whoops! I'm usually donak ... had a few connection problems<br>23:16:08 * frazld sets mode -e frazld<br>23:16:08 * You are now known as donak<br>23:16:08 -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.<br>
23:19:34 <KatteKrab> hehe<br>23:19:37 <KatteKrab> hey donak!<br>May 27 00:46:04 <donak> nite all<br>May 27 00:46:10 * Disconnected ().<br>**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 27 00:46:10 2009<br><br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Don Knowles<br>PO Box 358 Rockhampton 4700 AUSTRALIA<br>