[Lugcomms] Fwd: LC AGM @ LCA

[David Tangye]

I have been offline a few days, but, this being an email list, I have not
missed anything said :-), can think about it a while, and and can continue
the discussion in a meaningful way, having had time to think. That is not so
easy with IRC. I understand your points Paul and Donna and accept the
opinions. Points of divergence of opinion are:

   1. Immediacy: If you have something you want feedback on, its quicker to
   just email the list at the time you think of it, not have to wait for a
   'meeting' time to come around. All you are getting at 'meeting' time is
   off-top-of head feedback, not considered thought. Which is more valuable?
   2. Formality: Bollocks mate, I can just as easily talk like a duck via
   email, but at least I will have time to correct my typing before I send it
   out.
   3. "It would seem that the synchronous IRC meeting has already generated
   greater cross-communication and awareness of other lugs" You almost appear
   to be implying that this (or any other issue) could not be raised and
   achieve a similar result via email. IMO: the fact that it came up on IRC
   should not suggest that to me: if it were a real issue it would inevitably
   have been raised via email. BTW: I did not raise the incorporation issue at
   the last meeting. It was already on the agenda somehow, possibly as a result
   of my emails with Donna about it as I was leading an exercise to consider
   doing it here on the Gold Coast. If the resulting info were not provided at
   the last IRC meeting, I would have simply responded to any question about it
   on here, or would have published it directly unsolicited. As it was I saw it
   was on the agenda so I held off a day or so. So having an IRC meeting did
   not add value here either, in fact it probably detracted, as I never got to
   write the reasons etc, but having announced on IRC that incorporation here
   was dead, saw little point in writing more full info later to this list.

Having read and considered your opinions, I have to say that I am even more
convinced that my original opinion is right. Well it is for me anyway :-). I
just cannot see how you consider that you are getting quality of
decision-making input in a timely manner, but I think I am starting to
repeat myself so it probably time to move on.

Cheers
David

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Paul Wayper <paulway at mabula.net> wrote:

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> Donna Benjamin wrote:
> | On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 12:37 +1000, David Tangye wrote:
> |> I am not sure why you hold an IRC 'meeting' at all. IRC introduces the
> |> problem of people needing to all do it at the same time, which in my
> |> opinion is totally pointless.
> |
> | Thanks for your opinion David.
> |
> | Here's my view...
> |   Attending lugcomms meet is not compulsory - and we don't need everyone
> | to be there all of the time.  The point of lugcomms is to foster
> | inter-lug communication. Both between lugs, and with Linux Australia.
> | The mailing list exists - and has existed for some years.
> |
> | It would seem that the synchronous IRC meeting has already generated
> | greater cross-communication and awareness of other lugs. That is its
> | purpose, so I don't agree at all that it is pointless.
> |
> | The meetings themselves have a loose agenda, and anyone can contribute
> | topics towards it. The 'incorporation' topic was originally raised by
> | you, and I added it for discussion even though many others have been
> | over that ground many times before.
> |
> | Do others think the IRC meetings are pointless?
>
> No, not at all.  I don't see the #lugcomms IRC meetings as greatly changing
> the way I do things in the CLUG, but OTOH it is good to know and
> communicate
> with all those people from the other LUGs in an immediate and
> conversational
> manner.  Email can be formal and a bit stilted.  And being able to get a
> quick
> 'show of hands' on some issues is very useful.
>
> JM2cW,
>
> Paul
>

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