[Linux-aus] Spam :: Linux Device

ac ac at main.me
Tue Apr 26 15:49:25 AEST 2016 

Chris, 

Why do you insist that I address your/my/anyone's  concerns in public?

And with regards websites, brand names, etc. as I did clearly say
originally and again in my revision - I do not yet have any of that. -
please read the revision again, for clarity.

Why is it relevant or why does it matter what open source projects I
personally have contributed to?
Are you demanding and insisting on that information because i reacted
to someone on this list insinuating that I "rip off" other people's
work? 

Please explain or educate and help me understand the Linux Australia community better:

Someone posted on this list that people who redistribute spamassassin
are STEALING/THEFT (rip off) someone else's work.

Nobody - except myself, reacted to that

So, Linux Australia considers someone who sells a Linux DVD as a thief?

I find some people's reactions very combative (and rude) I honestly do
not know why. It cannot be because you do not have my home address and
it cannot be because I am unwilling to tell you something - there is no
onus on me to give any information on a public list. 

Anyway, I withdraw my request and I do honestly apologize for wasting
the lists time. This will be my last reply on this - even if someone
were to call me a monkey :)

So have fun, insult me some more, demand more things as "proof" and
good luck with that.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:15:19 +1000
Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com> wrote:
> Andre, you still have not responded to any of my concerns.
> The most basic things are a name, a website, pointers to some relevant
> source code contributions etc.
> The only things I could find relating to you online were not
> encouraging to say the least but I can only assume that you are a
> different person than the Andre Coetzee that I found reference to
> online (of who I could find no evidence of code contributions beyond
> some php code from a few years ago)
> 
> On 26 April 2016 at 15:09, ac <ac at main.me> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Thank you for taking the time to help me Rob & Chris, here is what I
> > should have posted:
> >
> > Hello, my name is Andre
> >
> > I have developed new Linux based spam technology and I am
> > interested in bringing it to Australia.
> >
> > The reason I am posting to this mailing list is that the technology
> > is built on Linux and I am keen on finding an Australian Linux
> > partner to work with on this project.
> >
> > I am also offering that the list could use this Linux technology,
> > at no cost, and as it functions external (no software to install)
> > to servers and is controlled by the server(s) administrator, the
> > risks to critical infrastructure is mitigated as it could be
> > switched on/off instantaneously.
> >
> > If the risk is still considered to be too high, as I have no track
> > record or credibility and you risk investing/wasting your time, we
> > could revisit this proposal if, or after, I find someone to work
> > with.
> >
> > I do not yet have an AU brand name or any other information as this
> > is not a proposal or sales pitch for my technology, but simply a
> > request for any interested party to contact me off list so that we
> > can discuss the technology and I could demonstrate the workings
> > thereof to such interested party(ies)
> >
> > Should I not find an Australian party, no worries, I will start the
> > venture in a different country and then bring it to Australia at a
> > later time.
> >
> > Thank you for taking the time to read my request and have a nice day
> >
> > Andre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:25:10 +1000
> > Rob Thomas <xrobau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As an interested bystander, something that ac may not realise is
> > > that the first thing that pops into MY mind when I see that (and
> > > possibly a few other people) is that they're referring to
> > > 'Anonymous Coward', which is used on Slashdot when someone does
> > > not wish to identify themselves.
> > >
> > > That may not be a deliberate choice on ac's behalf, but maybe
> > > that's why their vague comments and lack of actual information
> > > may be rubbing people the wrong way.
> > >
> > > --Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26 April 2016 at 13:11, Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm afraid that nothing you presented makes clear your
> > > > skill/tech background - or even what your name is.
> > > > That you haven't even answered these questions when directly
> > > > asked erodes any good-will you may have had.
> > > > I had hoped to give you the benefit of the doubt (assuming
> > > > english as second language) but your avoidance of even basic
> > > > questions and inability to provide anything backing your words
> > > > leads me to no longer hold out hope for that.
> > > > Please remember that you are talking to a group of people who
> > > > hold linux and open source as greatly important.  There are a
> > > > large number of people with high technical skills and so would
> > > > expect interactions on such a core topic (email privacy,
> > > > control and handling is very important) to be done at such a
> > > > level as to dissuade any fears. If you ever decide to come
> > > > forward with a proper proposal then people may indeed be
> > > > interested (maybe not for linux australia lists - but perhaps
> > > > others) - but based on what you have provided (or not provided)
> > > > so far - the level of evidence would need to be greatly
> > > > increased before anyone is likely to be interested.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >   Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 25 April 2016 at 23:13, ac <ac at main.me> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:17:04 +1000
> > > >> Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Andre,
> > > >> > Perhaps if you wish to be taken seriously you should
> > > >> > introduce yourself more fully.
> > > >> > Explain who you are, what your technical background is,
> > > >> > links to source you have written /contributed to,  things
> > > >> > like that. By showing a background in related development it
> > > >> > would lend credence to your words.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- Please excuse my brevity as this email was sent from my
> > > >> > microwave
> > > >>
> > > >> bleh, maybe I should have done that before I typed so much...
> > > >> from what i typed my skill/tech background should be clear to
> > > >> my peers and I am not happy about being called a spammer,
> > > >> twice. The second time around even an amateur spammer,
> > > >> whahahahaha
> > > >>
> > > >> I think that I have wasted enough of the lists bandwidth - If
> > > >> anyone is keen on chatting with me about working together,
> > > >> please mail me off list
> > > >>
> > > >> otherwise I do apologize for wasting your bits
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> your brevity is cool, i like your microwave, mine only makes
> > > >> popcorn, still trying to teach it to mail...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 25 Apr 2016 9:40 PM, "ac" <ac at main.me> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:44:59 +0930
> > > >> > "David Lloyd" <lloy0076 at adam.com.au> wrote:
> > > >> > > Well,
> > > >> > > > Dude, seriously, you should rather top post...
> > > >> > > Really? No.
> > > >> > > > You posted: (i think?)
> > > >> > > > that i did not read what Noel said? (i did)
> > > >> > > My apologies - to be more precise, then, comprehend.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > in which way then?  you simply saying that hardly explains
> > > >> > anything... (or makes it so) I do understand that you believe
> > > >> > that, but lets move from belief to fact? So, simply say what
> > > >> > it is that is not understood/comprehended.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > that I am redistributing spam assassin (i am not - i do
> > > >> > > > not use it) that I am an amateur spammer :)
> > > >> > > You're describing a product which sounds very like it.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >  no, actually not. see, so you can learn something
> > > >> >
> > > >> > even from a vague amateur spammer :)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > SA works by 'judging'  an actual received spam - and a dnsbl
> > > >> > rejects spam before your email server receives it as the
> > > >> > sender is blacklisted (or accepts email on a whitelist basis
> > > >> > - my system does that for ipv6)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > there are various dnsbl
> > > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DNS_blacklists
> > > >> >
> > > >> > SA
> > > >> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+spamassasin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > spammer 101 is vague details and appeals to emotion?
> > > >> > > No, it implies you don't know what you're talking about;
> > > >> > > you haven't really proved me wrong.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > really?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > any linux techie with some experience can read /
> > > >> > > > understand what i am saying instead of a vague
> > > >> > > > accusation - why do you not say exactly what
> > > >> > > is
> > > >> > > > vague to you so I can explain it better ?
> > > >> > > Others have done so already - why would I bother to do so
> > > >> > > myself when you clearly don't comprehend what they've said
> > > >> > > to you?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > not sure what to say to all that. I guess, the best answer is
> > > >> > that my subject is not belief or emotion or anything
> > > >> > vague :) - it is science
> > > >> >
> > > >> > you either are an expert in your field - or you are just an
> > > >> > expert - everyone these days is an expert
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Maybe spend the time and re-read everything that I have
> > > >> > written and then if you like I can teach/help/explain
> > > >> > something to you - but be exact in what you do not
> > > >> > understand as the subjects are rather involved and many on
> > > >> > the list probably know the basics already
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As this is a Linux list - with many many programmers and well
> > > >> > skilled Linux sysadmins - I am very sure we can all quickly
> > > >> > figure out what is what :)
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > DSL
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
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