[Linux-aus] Google Linux OS coming..

[Bret Busby]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Senectus . wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:47:31 +0800
> From: Senectus . <senectus at gmail.com>
> To: linux-aus <linux-aus at linux.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Google Linux OS coming..
> 
> 2009/7/15 Bret Busby <bret at busby.net>
>
>>> That's not technically accurate.  Google don't have the facility to
>>> block access to your website.  They can list is on their website as
>>> harmful, but that isn't the same as blocking access, is it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes it is.
>>
>> It is a Denial Of Service attack, by blocking access to the site.
>>
>> As mentioned previously, it takes two forms.
>>
>> The first, is that, for people who are not sure of the exact domain
>> name, do not know the domain name at all, or, are not sure whether the
>> association has a web site, and search for the web site, when they
>> search for the web site, the results returned, (1) advise that the web
>> site is malicious and should be avoided, to protect their computers
>> (which in this case, is a spurious allegation, purley for the sake of
>> maliciously harming the association and its reputration), and, (2),
>> prevent people from accessing the web site via the search results.
>
>
> Slow down there comma farmer...
> What this is saying is that (for whatever reason) Google impedes (not block,
> because you can still "Add an Exception" from the warning page to bypass
> googles advice and get to your site) access to your site _IF_ someone tries
> to access it via their services.
> This is important because if you opened up a web browser and directly
> accessed your site without going via the google search engine OR having the
> google tool bar installed, then you will get there.
> This is not a denial of service but instead a different understanding of
> acceptable service values.
> If you don't like them then don't use them, including blocking the google
> crawler.
>
>

No, actually, the blocking was not able to be bypassed like that.

>>
>>
>> The second, as previously mentioned, is that, with google's malicious
>> actions, including having spuriously reported the web site as an attack
>> site, in order to maliciously harm the association, that raises a flag
>> within the web browsers, so that, if a person who does not know better,
>> has the person's web browser configured to block reported attack sites,
>> even when the person enters the web site URL into the web browser, the
>> web browser blocks access to the web site.
>
>
> Googles actions are based upon the communities/industries collective view of
> what is acceptable.
> Kind of like the rule of Law, certainly no different to similar services
> such as ORBS.
>
>

No.

The "rule of law", would have involved due process, which would have 
conformed to the principles of natural justice, as I previously 
specified.

And, centuries of legal precedent exist, with judges in very high 
courts, stating that it is those principle of natural justice "ipon 
which our law is founded".


>>
>>
>> As peviously said, it is a clear case of a malicious Denial Of Service
>> attack, by google, with the clear intent of causing harm to the
>> association and the association's reputation, for the self interest and
>> self gain of google.
>
>
> I'm not sure what threat your web site poses to google, but your example is
> a long way from being an attack or overtly malicious in my opinion.
> I see no motive or directed intent and the fix is benign, simple and
> socially quite acceptable.
> Plus only applies to Google service users.
>

As previously explained, it does NOT apply only to google users. That 
has been made clear.

But then, for a person who is not willing to use their real name; who 
hides behind a pseudonym, and, who is clearly signed up with google, I 
would not expect for you to have read, and fairly considered, all of the 
relevant information that has so far been put, regarding this issue.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..............

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
  you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
   Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
   "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
   A Trilogy In Four Parts",
   written by Douglas Adams,
   published by Pan Books, 1992

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