From russell at coker.com.au Sun May 1 18:42:56 2022 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 18:42:56 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] May 7 Flounder Meeting - Terraform Message-ID: <825700952.0ifERbkFSE@xev> https://flounder.linux.org.au/events/flounder-may-2022-terraform/ May event is hands-on training on using Terraform to create, modify & destroy infrastructure in cloud & on-premise and will be at http://b.coker.com.au. Whilst this training will be using Google Cloud Platform, it is equally applicable to AWS, Azure, IBM as well as VMware/Proxmox on premise. Starts 1PM in the +1000 time zone. As usual some people will be in the room an hour before it starts. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From jwoithe at just42.net Mon May 16 14:07:20 2022 From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 13:37:20 +0930 Subject: [Linux-aus] Old software/manuals give-away Message-ID: Hi everyone A cleanout has revealed a number of rather old software manuals (and media, in some cases). It includes but is not limited to: * OS/2 Warp 3 (books, floppy disks) * Borland Pascal 7 * Walnut Creek FreeBSD second edition book * Borland C++ Builder 3 * Borland C++ Builder 6 * SCO Xenix manuals * Various DOS/Windows3 manuals A small amount of obsolete hardware has been found: * HP-42S manual * HP-19C/29C pouch, reference card, power supply * 3M Ximat DC 2120 data cartridge tapes (no drive) Other things may come to light over the next couple of days. If more information is desired let me know. If there is anyone in Adelaide who can get to Thebarton within the next week or so who would like anything from the above list, please get in touch and we'll arrange a time. Anything left over will be recycled. Regards jonathan From dap at zepherin.com Tue May 17 22:09:58 2022 From: dap at zepherin.com (dap at zepherin.com) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:09:58 +0000 Subject: [Linux-aus] LCA2022 SwagBadge Message-ID: I paid for the LCA2022 SwagBadge? from last conference.All I got was an email saying it would not be ready in time for the conference.Attempts to follow up with various parties has resulted in nothing. Anyone know whats up?Did it ever get built?Did it ever get delivered? Sent with ProtonMail secure email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The hardware delivery is for 40 kits and we have ... * 51x SwagBadge2022 (ESP32) built and tested, waiting for MVP firmware * 41x Rocking (FPGA SAO) built with 25 tested and 16 to be tested, MVP gateway ready * >40x ThePartyButton (simple SAO), some of which require a hardware patch Q: Did it ever get delivered ? A: Not yet. We didn't want to ship without the FPGA peripherals being fully tested.? Having to deal with too many failures and returns would be very difficult. The attached PDF covers the current testing status on the Rockling (FPGA SAO) PCB.? The key untested part is the complete operation of the SGTL5000 audio codec IC over I2C / I2S by the FPGA.? Testing this part of the project turned out to be significantly more difficult that anticipated. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Over the past few weeks, we've considered the causes of the delay and the pros-and-cons of delaying shipping beyond this point versus 100% complete testing.? We've decided that based on the testing we have done, that the risk of a show-stopping flaw is low ... and we should deliver the hardware as built, as soon as we can. The last detailed project update is here ... http://www.openhardwareconf.org/wiki/OHMC2022_Project_Status ... which I'll update again, then notify on this email thread. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - As a side note: currently, all of your money for this project is being held in trust by Linux Australia.? We do not want to receive payment ourselves, until the hardware is delivered. regards andyg On 17/5/2022 22:09, Damon Permezel via linux-aus wrote: > I paid for the LCA2022 SwagBadge? from last conference. > All I got was an email saying it would not be ready in time for the > conference. > Attempts to follow up with various parties has resulted in nothing. > > Anyone know whats up? > Did it ever get built? > Did it ever get delivered? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any suggestions? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From cjdp at cjdpenterprises.com Wed May 25 12:04:57 2022 From: cjdp at cjdpenterprises.com (C J du Preez) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 12:04:57 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: We use Zabbix to monitor servers. It's flexible in terms of configuration. The agents you install on devices can communicate with the server or proxies via TLS connections. Log files can be monitored for certain strings. Systemd units can be monitored with systemctl status etc. It can monitor for the presence of files like /var/run/reboot-required. It supports monitoring disk space usage among many other things. On 25/5/22 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I want to > check that they have security updates installed (ie the unattended-updates > package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are applied > (rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other things like > disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server via some > secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. > > Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. > > Any suggestions? > From timo at trinks.net Wed May 25 12:37:23 2022 From: timo at trinks.net (Timo Trinks) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 12:37:23 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: Hi Russell, Perhaps fleet (osquery) [1] is worth a look? Cheers, Timo [1] https://fleetdm.com On 25.05.2022 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: >Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I want to >check that they have security updates installed (ie the unattended-updates >package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are applied >(rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other things like >disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server via some >secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. > >Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. > >Any suggestions? > >-- >My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ >My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ > >_______________________________________________ >linux-aus mailing list >linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 228 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gbj at theforce.com.au Wed May 25 13:38:51 2022 From: gbj at theforce.com.au (Grahame Jordan) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 13:38:51 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: Hi Russell, Ansible will do this over ssh Regards Grahame Jordan On 25/5/22 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I want to > check that they have security updates installed (ie the unattended-updates > package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are applied > (rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other things like > disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server via some > secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. > > Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. > > Any suggestions? > From stephen.hocking at gmail.com Wed May 25 15:54:25 2022 From: stephen.hocking at gmail.com (Stephen Hocking) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:54:25 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: Most people don't enable ssh servers on their laptops, for fairly obvious reasons. On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 13:39, Grahame Jordan via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Hi Russell, > > Ansible will do this over ssh > > Regards > > Grahame Jordan > > On 25/5/22 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I > want to > > check that they have security updates installed (ie the > unattended-updates > > package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are > applied > > (rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other > things like > > disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server via > some > > secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. > > > > Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -- "I and the public know what all schoolchildren learn Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return" W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at ralston.id.au Wed May 25 15:59:10 2022 From: michael at ralston.id.au (Michael Ralston) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:59:10 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: You don't enable the ssh server on the laptop. You set up a cron to ssh into a central server and send the info. The laptops will have dynamic addresses after all. -- Michael On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 15:55, Stephen Hocking via linux-aus wrote: > > Most people don't enable ssh servers on their laptops, for fairly obvious reasons. > > On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 13:39, Grahame Jordan via linux-aus wrote: >> >> Hi Russell, >> >> Ansible will do this over ssh >> >> Regards >> >> Grahame Jordan >> >> On 25/5/22 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: >> > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I want to >> > check that they have security updates installed (ie the unattended-updates >> > package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are applied >> > (rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other things like >> > disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server via some >> > secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. >> > >> > Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. >> > >> > Any suggestions? >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-aus mailing list >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > > > -- > > "I and the public know > what all schoolchildren learn > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return" W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au From stephen.hocking at gmail.com Wed May 25 16:05:54 2022 From: stephen.hocking at gmail.com (Stephen Hocking) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 16:05:54 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: I'm used to using ansible via ssh to the machines in question - perhaps I should've made that clearer. Unless they have a VPN that starts automagically each time the network interface comes up, and the sshd daemon only runs on that interface. On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 15:59, Michael Ralston wrote: > You don't enable the ssh server on the laptop. You set up a cron to > ssh into a central server and send the info. > > The laptops will have dynamic addresses after all. > > -- > Michael > > On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 15:55, Stephen Hocking via linux-aus > wrote: > > > > Most people don't enable ssh servers on their laptops, for fairly > obvious reasons. > > > > On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 13:39, Grahame Jordan via linux-aus < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Russell, > >> > >> Ansible will do this over ssh > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Grahame Jordan > >> > >> On 25/5/22 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > >> > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I > want to > >> > check that they have security updates installed (ie the > unattended-updates > >> > package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are > applied > >> > (rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other > things like > >> > disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server > via some > >> > secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. > >> > > >> > Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. > >> > > >> > Any suggestions? > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> linux-aus mailing list > >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > >> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "I and the public know > > what all schoolchildren learn > > Those to whom evil is done > > Do evil in return" W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-aus mailing list > > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -- "I and the public know what all schoolchildren learn Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return" W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james at wavesquid.com Wed May 25 13:52:08 2022 From: james at wavesquid.com (James Callahan) Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 13:52:08 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: <2afd8a40-2031-4d72-c49c-e5cc7885867a@wavesquid.com> On 25/5/22 11:55, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I want to > check that they have security updates installed (ie the unattended-updates > package in Debian/Ubuntu is doing what is expected) and that they are applied > (rebooted in the case of kernel updates). Also checking for other things like > disk space usage would be good. The data should be sent to a server via some > secure method (HTTPS or XMPP) and then be searchable. > > Basically something similar to MS Endpoint Manager. > > Any suggestions? Use grafana agent (https://grafana.com/docs/agent/latest/) on the machines, which embeds various prometheus exporters like node_exporter which can write to a remote prometheus store (which can be prometheus itself, or something like mimir), as well as promtail, which allows for sending logs to a loki (which is a log collection/search system). Grafana (the company) offer a cloud-hosted mimir+loki if you don't want to run them yourself; but I find it pretty to easy to run inside of Kubernetes. From russell at coker.com.au Tue May 31 21:32:56 2022 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 21:32:56 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 4K monitor sizes Message-ID: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> Has anyone had experience with a monitor larger than 40" on their desktop? Currently Dell has a 27" USB-C monitor for $422 and a 32" monitor for $594 while Kogan has a 43" for $799 and I'm thinking of what to buy in July. My wife's monitor broke and my plan is to buy myself a new monitor and give her my Samsung 28" 4K monitor (which is higher spec than her previous monitor). USB-C monitors are ones that can supply USB-C power to a laptop while also having keyboard and mouse connected to the monitor as a USB hub. It's basically all the functionality of what used to be a laptop docking-station in a monitor with a single cable. It would be quite handy to have that functionality as a laptop with USB-C is on my shopping list too. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship According to the above article you want a TV to take up 30 degrees of vision, but for a monitor it's probably a lot more as you focus on the window that needs your attention. Based on resolution and size according to that article a 43" 4K "TV" would be best at a distance of 80-160cm with the minimum being based on not seeing individual pixels. For a monitor you don't need to not see pixels IMHO, just need to have enough of them to clearly represent letters. So maybe 43" would be a good size. It seems like a lot, but when I had a 17" monitor on my desk any larger than that seemed excessive... Another possibility is getting multiple monitors. For a long time I have been unconvinced of the benefits of multiple monitors, but now I'm working at a company where there's a USB-C dock at every desk with 2 monitors and I've got used to working with 2 monitors in addition to a laptop display. If I bought 2 of those 27" USB-C monitors I could have them both on my desktop system most of the time and connect one to a laptop on occasion when I needed to. Linux has really good support for dynamic plugging of monitors nowadays and 2*27" gives me twice the pixels and 3/4 the area of a 32" monitor for about the same price. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From russell at coker.com.au Tue May 31 22:00:53 2022 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 22:00:53 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] laptop monitoring In-Reply-To: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> References: <3117494.vfdyTQepKt@xev> Message-ID: <2746613.AiC22s8V5E@xev> On Wednesday, 25 May 2022 11:55:37 AEST Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > Is there any good FOSS solution for monitoring a fleet of laptops? I want Thanks for the answers to my question about laptop monitoring, I will try some of those later. While investigating them I found netdata which is in Debian and provides a nice web page with metrics of a system which is calculated in RAM with a small amount of CPU so doesn't interfere with performance - it doesn't do what I need for this issue but might help me solve some unrelated problems. I'm working for a company that is going for enterprise support etc and Ubuntu is chosen as THE Linux platform. https://landscape.canonical.com/try-landscape I have learned about Ubuntu Landscape which is a system for monitoring package updates etc for a fleet of Ubuntu systems just like Red Hat Satellite does for RHEL systems. The SaaS version of Landscape is $1c per machine per hour which is $87.60 per annum for 24*7 systems and something a bit more than $20 per annum for work laptops if they don't charge for off time. The on-premises version of Landscape is included with an Ubuntu Advantage support subscription. https://ubuntu.com/pricing/infra According to this page the basic "support" is $25/desktop. For real support (where you can phone them and get help) it's $150/desktop for business hours and $300/desktop for 24*7 support. I just checked Red Hat's web site for comparison and saw that the actual support starts at $299! https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-advantage-service-description The above page says "you are entitled to the following coverage, depending on the appropriate package (Essential, Standard, or Advanced) on a per-machine basis" which seems to mean that I could have the more important machines on $150 or $300 support levels and have most machines on $25. If that's the case then it should be easy to get management to pay for it, if it has to be $150 for each system to get real support then it will be more of a challenge. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From lists at ebourne.me.uk Tue May 31 22:07:57 2022 From: lists at ebourne.me.uk (lists at ebourne.me.uk) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 21:37:57 +0930 Subject: [Linux-aus] 4K monitor sizes In-Reply-To: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> References: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> Message-ID: <9PXQCR.GSAXE1P28SZ02@ebourne.me.uk> 49" ultrawide curved monitor, equivalent to two 27" joined at their side. It's fantastic, I should have bought it years earlier. I would buy another one tomorrow if it was gone. It does split screen with 2 inputs if you wanted to do that. There's really no reason to buy two 27". Great for coding while doing the normal office work all at the same time. Good exercise for the neck as head turning is required! Not having the join in the middle makes the monitor considerably more useful than two monitors, I spent years working with 2. You have so much more flexibility on laying out your windows, and can have your main focus right in the middle if you want. With a monitor like this windows hardly ever get maximised - but it is unbeatable for wide spreadsheets! Mine is driven from a laptop and I have the inbuilt display as my second screen, I use for stuff that I can glance at but doesn't need my attention, then usually I flick the windows across to the biggie to read them. I've been around long enough to start with 12" green screen monitors and black and white TVs that were deeper than they were wide. I've never bought a TV or monitor that I thought later was too big. I will keep buying bigger ones until that day happens! Regards, Martin On Tue, May 31 2022 at 21:32:56 +1000, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > Has anyone had experience with a monitor larger than 40" on their > desktop? > Currently Dell has a 27" USB-C monitor for $422 and a 32" monitor for > $594 > while Kogan has a 43" for $799 and I'm thinking of what to buy in > July. > > My wife's monitor broke and my plan is to buy myself a new monitor > and give > her my Samsung 28" 4K monitor (which is higher spec than her previous > monitor). > > USB-C monitors are ones that can supply USB-C power to a laptop while > also > having keyboard and mouse connected to the monitor as a USB hub. It's > basically all the functionality of what used to be a laptop > docking-station in > a monitor with a single cable. It would be quite handy to have that > functionality as a laptop with USB-C is on my shopping list too. > > > > According to the above article you want a TV to take up 30 degrees of > vision, > but for a monitor it's probably a lot more as you focus on the window > that > needs your attention. Based on resolution and size according to that > article > a 43" 4K "TV" would be best at a distance of 80-160cm with the > minimum being > based on not seeing individual pixels. For a monitor you don't need > to not > see pixels IMHO, just need to have enough of them to clearly represent > letters. So maybe 43" would be a good size. It seems like a lot, > but when I > had a 17" monitor on my desk any larger than that seemed excessive... > > Another possibility is getting multiple monitors. For a long time I > have been > unconvinced of the benefits of multiple monitors, but now I'm working > at a > company where there's a USB-C dock at every desk with 2 monitors and > I've got > used to working with 2 monitors in addition to a laptop display. If > I bought > 2 of those 27" USB-C monitors I could have them both on my desktop > system most > of the time and connect one to a laptop on occasion when I needed to. > Linux > has really good support for dynamic plugging of monitors nowadays and > 2*27" > gives me twice the pixels and 3/4 the area of a 32" monitor for about > the same > price. > > -- > My Main Blog > My Documents Blog > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shervin.emami at gmail.com Tue May 31 22:15:05 2022 From: shervin.emami at gmail.com (Shervin Emami) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 22:15:05 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 4K monitor sizes In-Reply-To: <9PXQCR.GSAXE1P28SZ02@ebourne.me.uk> References: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> <9PXQCR.GSAXE1P28SZ02@ebourne.me.uk> Message-ID: Hi Rusell, That article seems quite thorough and fits with my experience, so I'd say you're in good hands. Many people love having multiple monitors, and I liked having dual or triple monitors in the past but I switched to a single monitor setup around 13 years ago and I prefer it like this. I figure I only have 1 set of eyes, so I get comfortable with switching windows a lot instead of turning my head & eyes a lot. In KDE I enable a setting so all windows are maximised by default, it works well for me but maybe not others. More importantly, 7 years ago I was having headaches & pains due to eye focus strain from using laptops too much (focusing at short distance for long hours each day), so I began using a 47" 1080p screen around 4.5 metres away from me. It was hard to see regular text, so I had to manually switch everything to higher DPIs and/or font sizes in the OS and browsers. 2 years of that seemed to help a lot (in addition to taking forced breaks from the computer and occasionally perform eye muscle exercises. These days I use a 40" 1080p screen around 2 metres away and I don't even need to customise any settings in the OS or browsers anymore, I just use all the defaults :-) So I've found my sweet spot where my eyes don't need to focus too hard and I can see things clearly and it doesn't take up 5 metres of space in my office! Cheers, Shervin Emami. http://shervinemami.com/ On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 10:08 PM lists--- via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > 49" ultrawide curved monitor, equivalent to two 27" joined at their side. > It's fantastic, I should have bought it years earlier. I would buy another > one tomorrow if it was gone. It does split screen with 2 inputs if you > wanted to do that. There's really no reason to buy two 27". Great for > coding while doing the normal office work all at the same time. Good > exercise for the neck as head turning is required! > > Not having the join in the middle makes the monitor considerably more > useful than two monitors, I spent years working with 2. You have so much > more flexibility on laying out your windows, and can have your main focus > right in the middle if you want. With a monitor like this windows hardly > ever get maximised - but it is unbeatable for wide spreadsheets! > > Mine is driven from a laptop and I have the inbuilt display as my second > screen, I use for stuff that I can glance at but doesn't need my attention, > then usually I flick the windows across to the biggie to read them. > > I've been around long enough to start with 12" green screen monitors and > black and white TVs that were deeper than they were wide. I've never bought > a TV or monitor that I thought later was too big. I will keep buying bigger > ones until that day happens! > > Regards, > Martin > > > On Tue, May 31 2022 at 21:32:56 +1000, Russell Coker via linux-aus < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > > Has anyone had experience with a monitor larger than 40" on their desktop? > Currently Dell has a 27" USB-C monitor for $422 and a 32" monitor for $594 > while Kogan has a 43" for $799 and I'm thinking of what to buy in July. My > wife's monitor broke and my plan is to buy myself a new monitor and give > her my Samsung 28" 4K monitor (which is higher spec than her previous > monitor). USB-C monitors are ones that can supply USB-C power to a laptop > while also having keyboard and mouse connected to the monitor as a USB hub. > It's basically all the functionality of what used to be a laptop > docking-station in a monitor with a single cable. It would be quite handy > to have that functionality as a laptop with USB-C is on my shopping list > too. > https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship > According to the above article you want a TV to take up 30 degrees of > vision, but for a monitor it's probably a lot more as you focus on the > window that needs your attention. Based on resolution and size according to > that article a 43" 4K "TV" would be best at a distance of 80-160cm with the > minimum being based on not seeing individual pixels. For a monitor you > don't need to not see pixels IMHO, just need to have enough of them to > clearly represent letters. So maybe 43" would be a good size. It seems like > a lot, but when I had a 17" monitor on my desk any larger than that seemed > excessive... Another possibility is getting multiple monitors. For a long > time I have been unconvinced of the benefits of multiple monitors, but now > I'm working at a company where there's a USB-C dock at every desk with 2 > monitors and I've got used to working with 2 monitors in addition to a > laptop display. If I bought 2 of those 27" USB-C monitors I could have them > both on my desktop system most of the time and connect one to a laptop on > occasion when I needed to. Linux has really good support for dynamic > plugging of monitors nowadays and 2*27" gives me twice the pixels and 3/4 > the area of a 32" monitor for about the same price. > -- > My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog > http://doc.coker.com.au/ _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus To unsubscribe from > this list, send a blank email to linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at mindsocket.com.au Tue May 31 22:45:18 2022 From: jason at mindsocket.com.au (Jason Nicholls) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 20:45:18 +0800 Subject: [Linux-aus] 4K monitor sizes In-Reply-To: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> References: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> Message-ID: Hey Russell, I've tried dual monitors in the past and it just doesn't work for me as I end up with a persistent sore neck. My preference is one monitor with as many pixels as possible. I was using a 32" 4k screen which died and struggled on whether I should go with a larger, same, or smaller 4k. In the end I went with a 27" 4k and it's sitting closer than the 32" - but possibly covering the same fov. A larger screen just means it'd have to be positioned further back. Also note that I don't have any eye issues and also do not use scaling. 27" had the benefit of being cheaper and uses less power so that's a bonus. Would I consider going larger again? Not really. The only thing I'd consider is more pixels, I'd really like a 5k2k or more but there's not many options plus they are crazy expensive. Jason On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Russell Coker via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Has anyone had experience with a monitor larger than 40" on their > desktop? > Currently Dell has a 27" USB-C monitor for $422 and a 32" monitor for $594 > while Kogan has a 43" for $799 and I'm thinking of what to buy in July. > > My wife's monitor broke and my plan is to buy myself a new monitor and > give > her my Samsung 28" 4K monitor (which is higher spec than her previous > monitor). > > USB-C monitors are ones that can supply USB-C power to a laptop while also > having keyboard and mouse connected to the monitor as a USB hub. It's > basically all the functionality of what used to be a laptop > docking-station in > a monitor with a single cable. It would be quite handy to have that > functionality as a laptop with USB-C is on my shopping list too. > > https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship > > According to the above article you want a TV to take up 30 degrees of > vision, > but for a monitor it's probably a lot more as you focus on the window that > needs your attention. Based on resolution and size according to that > article > a 43" 4K "TV" would be best at a distance of 80-160cm with the minimum > being > based on not seeing individual pixels. For a monitor you don't need to > not > see pixels IMHO, just need to have enough of them to clearly represent > letters. So maybe 43" would be a good size. It seems like a lot, but > when I > had a 17" monitor on my desk any larger than that seemed excessive... > > Another possibility is getting multiple monitors. For a long time I have > been > unconvinced of the benefits of multiple monitors, but now I'm working at a > company where there's a USB-C dock at every desk with 2 monitors and I've > got > used to working with 2 monitors in addition to a laptop display. If I > bought > 2 of those 27" USB-C monitors I could have them both on my desktop system > most > of the time and connect one to a laptop on occasion when I needed to. > Linux > has really good support for dynamic plugging of monitors nowadays and > 2*27" > gives me twice the pixels and 3/4 the area of a 32" monitor for about the > same > price. > > -- > My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ > My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell at coker.com.au Tue May 31 23:09:50 2022 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 23:09:50 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Flounder meeting on Saturday Message-ID: <16379927.Ash8RoxBsO@xev> https://flounder.linux.org.au/events/flounder-june-2022/ On Saturday at 1PM Melbourne time we have the June meeting which is about Terraform. The training will be done on GCP but Terraform works on most clouds (I plan to use it on AWS). Free entry and no need to sign up. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From admin at cyberwi.se Tue May 31 22:00:04 2022 From: admin at cyberwi.se (Cyberwise) Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 12:00:04 +0000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 4K monitor sizes In-Reply-To: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> References: <1787910.QCnGb9OGeP@xev> Message-ID: I have been using 43 inch monitors for years and love the use of them - giving me effectively four monitors. I have an LG one at the office and a Samsung at home. The LG allows for multiple inputs simultaneously, while the Samsung doubles as a 'smart TV'. Definitely recommend. ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, May 31st, 2022 at 7:32 PM, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > > > > > Has anyone had experience with a monitor larger than 40" on their desktop? > Currently Dell has a 27" USB-C monitor for $422 and a 32" monitor for $594 > while Kogan has a 43" for $799 and I'm thinking of what to buy in July. > > My wife's monitor broke and my plan is to buy myself a new monitor and give > her my Samsung 28" 4K monitor (which is higher spec than her previous > monitor). > > USB-C monitors are ones that can supply USB-C power to a laptop while also > having keyboard and mouse connected to the monitor as a USB hub. It's > basically all the functionality of what used to be a laptop docking-station in > a monitor with a single cable. It would be quite handy to have that > functionality as a laptop with USB-C is on my shopping list too. > > https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship > > According to the above article you want a TV to take up 30 degrees of vision, > but for a monitor it's probably a lot more as you focus on the window that > needs your attention. Based on resolution and size according to that article > a 43" 4K "TV" would be best at a distance of 80-160cm with the minimum being > based on not seeing individual pixels. For a monitor you don't need to not > see pixels IMHO, just need to have enough of them to clearly represent > letters. So maybe 43" would be a good size. It seems like a lot, but when I > had a 17" monitor on my desk any larger than that seemed excessive... > > Another possibility is getting multiple monitors. For a long time I have been > unconvinced of the benefits of multiple monitors, but now I'm working at a > company where there's a USB-C dock at every desk with 2 monitors and I've got > used to working with 2 monitors in addition to a laptop display. If I bought > 2 of those 27" USB-C monitors I could have them both on my desktop system most > of the time and connect one to a laptop on occasion when I needed to. Linux > has really good support for dynamic plugging of monitors nowadays and 2*27" > gives me twice the pixels and 3/4 the area of a 32" monitor for about the same > price. > > -- > My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ > My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au