From paul-linuxaus at gear.email Fri Dec 16 18:37:38 2022 From: paul-linuxaus at gear.email (Paul Gear) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:37:38 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? Message-ID: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Hi folks, I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know where to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down this road before. Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came up with the following: Essentials * dual indoor & outdoor stations * metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall * can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol in a sensible format like JSON, CSV, or plain text * doesn't require a cloud service to operate * wireless connection to outdoor unit * 15 minute resolution * accurate clock Nice to have * solar power for outdoor unit * metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar levels * self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge * wireless connection to indoor unit * 1 minute resolution * (S)NTP client * HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the Internet * decent web interface * option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects without compromising privacy Anything else I should think about?? Am I dreamin' [1]?? I am assuming that I would put them on their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to anything but what I permit. What price should I expect to pay?? What brands are worth investigating or avoiding?? I'm in South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to what temperature or humidity tolerances it needs. Thanks in advance, Paul [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon at darkmere.gen.nz Fri Dec 16 18:58:23 2022 From: simon at darkmere.gen.nz (Simon Lyall) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:58:23 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [Linux-aus] Australian Tech Conference CFP Message-ID: I've just noticed that a new Australian Tech conference is looking for proposals. Might interest some people here. https://2023.everythingopen.au/news/everything-open-all-at-once/ -- Simon Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.simonlyall.com/ "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar From hugh at blemings.org Fri Dec 16 19:18:24 2022 From: hugh at blemings.org (Hugh Blemings) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 19:18:24 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Message-ID: <636B2550-2D16-42EF-9100-7EEF30E955D3@blemings.org> Hi Paul, All, I have been dabbling in the WX stuff for quite some time now. My preferred option these days is stuff from Ecowitt. They have a small receiver which talks their over air protocol on one side and connects to WiFi on the other. It has a simple Web interface inbuilt as well as an api you can talk to from FOSS software such as Home Assistant etc. I use the 915MHz versions to avoid potential interference with ham radio stuff that might occur with the 433MHz options such as Acurite. It's reasonably priced for the quality of the hardware IMHO, they sell direct and have been responsive the odd occasion where I've had a question. Hope that helps, Cheers Hugh On 16 December 2022 6:37:38 pm AEDT, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: >Hi folks, > >I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know where to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down this road before. > >Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came up with the following: > >Essentials > > * dual indoor & outdoor stations > * metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall > * can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol in > a sensible format like JSON, CSV, or plain text > * doesn't require a cloud service to operate > * wireless connection to outdoor unit > * 15 minute resolution > * accurate clock > >Nice to have > > * solar power for outdoor unit > * metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar > levels > * self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge > * wireless connection to indoor unit > * 1 minute resolution > * (S)NTP client > * HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the > Internet > * decent web interface > * option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects > without compromising privacy > >Anything else I should think about?? Am I dreamin' [1]?? I am assuming that I would put them on their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to anything but what I permit. > >What price should I expect to pay?? What brands are worth investigating or avoiding?? I'm in South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to what temperature or humidity tolerances it needs. > >Thanks in advance, >Paul > >[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephen.hocking at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 20:05:38 2022 From: stephen.hocking at gmail.com (Stephen Hocking) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:05:38 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: <636B2550-2D16-42EF-9100-7EEF30E955D3@blemings.org> References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> <636B2550-2D16-42EF-9100-7EEF30E955D3@blemings.org> Message-ID: Can recommend the WittBoy - the WEEWX developers are actively working on it (WS90 + GW2000). You can add other Ecowitt sensors like CO2, Pm2.5 & PM10 detectors, lightning strike detectors etc. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 19:18, Hugh Blemings via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Hi Paul, All, > > I have been dabbling in the WX stuff for quite some time now. My preferred > option these days is stuff from Ecowitt. > > They have a small receiver which talks their over air protocol on one side > and connects to WiFi on the other. It has a simple Web interface inbuilt as > well as an api you can talk to from FOSS software such as Home Assistant > etc. > > I use the 915MHz versions to avoid potential interference with ham radio > stuff that might occur with the 433MHz options such as Acurite. > > It's reasonably priced for the quality of the hardware IMHO, they sell > direct and have been responsive the odd occasion where I've had a question. > > Hope that helps, > > Cheers > Hugh > > > On 16 December 2022 6:37:38 pm AEDT, Paul Gear via linux-aus < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know >> where to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down this road >> before. >> >> Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came >> up with the following: >> >> Essentials >> >> - dual indoor & outdoor stations >> - metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall >> - can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol >> in a sensible format like JSON, CSV, or plain text >> - doesn't require a cloud service to operate >> - wireless connection to outdoor unit >> - 15 minute resolution >> - accurate clock >> >> Nice to have >> >> - solar power for outdoor unit >> - metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar >> levels >> - self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge >> - wireless connection to indoor unit >> - 1 minute resolution >> - (S)NTP client >> - HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the >> Internet >> - decent web interface >> - option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects >> without compromising privacy >> >> Anything else I should think about? Am I dreamin' [1]? I am assuming >> that I would put them on their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to >> anything but what I permit. >> >> What price should I expect to pay? What brands are worth investigating >> or avoiding? I'm in South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to >> what temperature or humidity tolerances it needs. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Paul >> >> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -- "I and the public know what all schoolchildren learn Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return" W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daved at windclimber.id.au Fri Dec 16 20:31:28 2022 From: daved at windclimber.id.au (Dave Davey) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:31:28 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Message-ID: <20221216093128.GA24626@pluto.windclimber.id.au> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 05:37:38PM +1000, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know where > to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down this road before. I've had a Davis Vantage Pro system running for about 8 years. I had earlier experience with an inexpensive system of the sort you can get from various shops, but found the outdoor hardware was not up to the job - it is afterall out in the weather, good and bad 24/7. I use the Davis ethernet interface connected to a Raspberry (Raspberry OS buster) in turn connected to my internet modem. The low power consumption important because I want it to work even if I am travelling. It's powered by a solar/battery/grid-connected system that continues to operate even if there is a protracted power-outage. You can see output at http://www.windclimber.net/weather/ I have set that to update only every 10 min, often enough to follow weather changes. More details on request. -- David F. Davey D'Entrecasteaux Phone: +61 3 6267 4852 378 Manuka Road Mobile: +61 428 674 852 Kettering Tasmania 7155 Australia daved at windclimber.id.au From info at petermoulding.com Fri Dec 16 20:38:15 2022 From: info at petermoulding.com (Info) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:38:15 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Message-ID: <2a28228e-d0a0-359b-6054-445de628b652@petermoulding.com> Sounds nice. I am building my own combined weather station, soil monitor and irrigation system using the Raspberry Pi Zero because I could not find what I wanted and almost nothing lets you do anything not provided by the vendor. For ready made software, there are good choices based on either Python or Javascript. I might learn enough python to customise or extend the base. You can go to the Raspberry Pi site. For Aus, Core Electronics has a heap of parts and projects. Jaycar has a good general electronics range. On 16/12/22 18:37, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know where to start - I'm > hoping some of you might have been down this road before. > > Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came up with the following: > > Essentials > > * dual indoor & outdoor stations > * metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall > * can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol in a sensible format like > JSON, CSV, or plain text > * doesn't require a cloud service to operate > * wireless connection to outdoor unit > * 15 minute resolution > * accurate clock > > Nice to have > > * solar power for outdoor unit > * metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar levels > * self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge > * wireless connection to indoor unit > * 1 minute resolution > * (S)NTP client > * HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the Internet > * decent web interface > * option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects without compromising privacy > > Anything else I should think about?? Am I dreamin' [1]?? I am assuming that I would put them on > their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to anything but what I permit. > > What price should I expect to pay?? What brands are worth investigating or avoiding?? I'm in > South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to what temperature or humidity tolerances it needs. > > Thanks in advance, > Paul > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au From lukeh at hovo.id.au Sun Dec 18 22:21:41 2022 From: lukeh at hovo.id.au (Luke Hovington) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 21:21:41 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: <2a28228e-d0a0-359b-6054-445de628b652@petermoulding.com> References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> <2a28228e-d0a0-359b-6054-445de628b652@petermoulding.com> Message-ID: Slightly off topic, but this might be worth looking into. For irrigation https://openthings.io/ Cheers On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 19:38, Info via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Sounds nice. I am building my own combined weather station, soil monitor > and irrigation system using > the Raspberry Pi Zero because I could not find what I wanted and almost > nothing lets you do anything > not provided by the vendor. > > For ready made software, there are good choices based on either Python or > Javascript. I might learn > enough python to customise or extend the base. > > You can go to the Raspberry Pi site. For Aus, Core Electronics has a heap > of parts and projects. > Jaycar has a good general electronics range. > > > On 16/12/22 18:37, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really > know where to start - I'm > > hoping some of you might have been down this road before. > > > > Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came > up with the following: > > > > Essentials > > > > * dual indoor & outdoor stations > > * metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall > > * can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol in > a sensible format like > > JSON, CSV, or plain text > > * doesn't require a cloud service to operate > > * wireless connection to outdoor unit > > * 15 minute resolution > > * accurate clock > > > > Nice to have > > > > * solar power for outdoor unit > > * metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar > levels > > * self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge > > * wireless connection to indoor unit > > * 1 minute resolution > > * (S)NTP client > > * HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the > Internet > > * decent web interface > > * option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects > without compromising privacy > > > > Anything else I should think about? Am I dreamin' [1]? I am assuming > that I would put them on > > their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to anything but what I > permit. > > > > What price should I expect to pay? What brands are worth investigating > or avoiding? I'm in > > South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to what temperature > or humidity tolerances it needs. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul > > > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-aus mailing list > > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcus at herstik.com Mon Dec 19 03:46:34 2022 From: marcus at herstik.com (Marcus Herstik) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 17:46:34 +0100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - members register request section 7 Message-ID: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> I believe our council has breached their duties in upholding our association?s constitution. Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members register, being name and contact details. This was asked for under section 7, subsection 4 which states ?A member of the association may obtain a copy of ANY part of the register?? (emphasis mine). However, as they did not like this request they sent out a message stating I have requested this and advising you all that you can make your details private. I did not receive contact details of anyone. While they have stated that it would breach privacy I must state that all members have agreed to the constitution as part of membership and this request is specifically provided for in the constitution. See section 7. A member of the association has a right to request these details and the council can not refuse. Instead, in determining that they can override the constitution at their whim, they have breached our association?s constitution and their responsibility to uphold it and do the will of the members. If they want it changed then it must be put to a vote. As such I am advising you, the members of the association, that the constitution has been breached and I will be seeking a resolution to this with the council, under section 10(1). Regards, Marcus Herstik M: 0405-569-466 A: P.O. Box 2443, Burleigh Waters, QLD, 4220 From chris at deigan.id.au Mon Dec 19 07:20:32 2022 From: chris at deigan.id.au (Chris Deigan) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 20:20:32 +0000 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> Message-ID: <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: > Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members > register, being name and contact details. Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place? - Chris From john at huiac.com Mon Dec 19 07:39:40 2022 From: john at huiac.com (John Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 07:09:40 +1030 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: ...and while we're asking?does the constitution compel them to comply, and does the law permit them to do so without our consent? On December 19, 2022 6:50:32 AM GMT+10:30, Chris Deigan via linux-aus wrote: >On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: >> Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members >> register, being name and contact details. > >Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place? > >- Chris >_______________________________________________ >linux-aus mailing list >linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.esson at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 08:03:50 2022 From: paul.esson at gmail.com (Paul Esson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:03:50 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: Doesn't section 7.5 state that members can request that their information is not made public in this way? > If a member requests that any information contained on the register about the member (other than the member?s name) not be available for inspection, that information must not be made available for inspection. Has the council breached the constitution by informing members of their ability to make their details private? Paul On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, 7:40 am John Pearson via linux-aus, < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > ...and while we're asking?does the constitution compel them to comply, and > does the law permit them to do so without our consent? > > > On December 19, 2022 6:50:32 AM GMT+10:30, Chris Deigan via linux-aus < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: >> >>> Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members >>> register, being name and contact details. >>> >> >> Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place? >> >> - Chris >> ------------------------------ >> linux-aus mailing list >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au >> >> -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jackson.lyndsey at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 08:19:49 2022 From: jackson.lyndsey at gmail.com (Lyndsey Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 07:49:49 +1030 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: Can we have the constitution updated so that I don't have to feel concerned that this man, who I don't know can stop claiming a right to my private contact details? That seems less work for us, and more beneficial for me as an individual than me cancelling my membership and demanding my information is deleted. But I am happy to do the work to go either way. And can we have clarity on the position of the org on this? As a past chair of EFA happy to help find a lawyer/other people to speak to. In my experience constitutions have some holes, because, of course they do, and it is a red flag when people start to poke in them for their own gain. Thanks, Lyndsey On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 7:34 AM Paul Esson via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Doesn't section 7.5 state that members can request that their information > is not made public in this way? > > > If a member requests that any information contained on the register > about the member (other than the member?s name) not be available for > inspection, that information must not be made available for inspection. > > Has the council breached the constitution by informing members of their > ability to make their details private? > > Paul > > > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, 7:40 am John Pearson via linux-aus, < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > >> ...and while we're asking?does the constitution compel them to comply, >> and does the law permit them to do so without our consent? >> >> >> On December 19, 2022 6:50:32 AM GMT+10:30, Chris Deigan via linux-aus < >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: >>> >>>> Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members >>>> register, being name and contact details. >>>> >>> >>> Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place? >>> >>> - Chris >>> ------------------------------ >>> linux-aus mailing list >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >>> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au >>> >>> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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URL: From jackson.lyndsey at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 08:24:29 2022 From: jackson.lyndsey at gmail.com (Lyndsey Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 07:54:29 +1030 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - members register request section 7 In-Reply-To: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> Message-ID: Further to my email reply, Marcus, I missed this email "However, as they did not like this request they sent out a message stating I have requested this and advising you all that you can make your details private." It would be absolutely inadequate if my details were sent to you on the basis of this action. My details are private and if I find out they get sent to you I will start complaining. Loudly. I don't know what your intent or entitlement is here. I don't know you. Can you please declare it? Briefly. In case I need a lawyer. I am not engaging in an email conversation with you. Your intent seems malicious and I will not partake or placate. Lyndsey On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 3:17 AM Marcus Herstik via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > I believe our council has breached their duties in upholding our > association?s constitution. > > Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members > register, being name and contact details. > > This was asked for under section 7, subsection 4 which states ?A member of > the association may obtain a copy of ANY part of the register?? (emphasis > mine). > > However, as they did not like this request they sent out a message stating > I have requested this and advising you all that you can make your details > private. > > I did not receive contact details of anyone. > > While they have stated that it would breach privacy I must state that all > members have agreed to the constitution as part of membership and this > request is specifically provided for in the constitution. See section 7. > > A member of the association has a right to request these details and the > council can not refuse. > > Instead, in determining that they can override the constitution at their > whim, they have breached our association?s constitution and their > responsibility to uphold it and do the will of the members. > > If they want it changed then it must be put to a vote. > > As such I am advising you, the members of the association, that the > constitution has been breached and I will be seeking a resolution to this > with the council, under section 10(1). > > Regards, > Marcus Herstik > > M: 0405-569-466 > A: P.O. Box 2443, Burleigh Waters, QLD, 4220 > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Dec 19 08:52:16 2022 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:52:16 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> I agree Marcus's request seems particularly vexatious in terms of the way he's communicating with us here. However before everyone else gets up-in-arms: - The Constitution is published at https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/ - You joined Linux Australia therefore you have agreed to abide by the constitution; if elements here are a surprise then you have noone to blame but yourself for signing up without reading and considering the ramifications of it first. Here's Section 7 in full: 7. Register of members (1) The public officer or the secretary of the association must establish and maintain a register of members of the association specifying the name and postal or residential address of each person who is a member of the association together with the date on which the person became a member. (2) The register of members must be kept in Australia: (a) at the main premises of the association, or (b) if the association has no premises, at the association?s official address. (c) in electronic format in a manner accessible to the public officer and secretary of the association. (3) The portion of the register of members comprising names of members and dates on which the person became a member must be open for inspection, free of charge, by any member of the association within five business days of receipt of a written request by the public officer or secretary of the association. (4) A member of the association may obtain a copy of any part of the register on payment of a fee of not more than $1 for each page copied or printed, or without fee for an electronic copy of the information. (5) If a member requests that any information contained on the register about the member (other than the member?s name) not be available for inspection, that information must not be made available for inspection. (6) A member must not use information about a person obtained from the register to contact or send material to the person, other than for: (a) the purposes of sending the person a newsletter, a notice in respect of a meeting or other event relating to the association or other material relating to the association, or (b) any other purpose necessary to comply with a requirement of the Act or the Regulation. To implement section (5) all you need to do is login to the membership portal, update your details and select the tickbox "Supress details for membership information requests" ... so a request under SubSection (4) is only going to reveal your name if you've exercised your rights under SubSection (5). SubSection (6) does make it clear the reasons that information obtained from the members register can be used - basically it needs to be about LA business.? A shame that Marcus hasn't provided assurance that his intentions are aligned with this clause. Long story short; though to my eyes the suppression of any information beyond 'need to know' should likely be the default, and not something someone has to explicitly exercise via (5) above, there's full transparency in terms of our ability to protect our own privacy as associated with the data LA holds about us. I also assume there's a process for proposing updates to the constitution. Perhaps other members could advise the rationale behind the structure of Section 7 and provide guidance on whether a change is feasible, if members are concerned then they'll be able to propose an amendment and see it passed by vote at an AGM. Mark. On 19/12/2022 10:19 am, Lyndsey Jackson via linux-aus wrote: > Can we have the constitution updated so that I don't have to feel > concerned that this man, who I don't know can stop claiming a right to > my private contact details? > > That seems less work for us, and more beneficial for me as an > individual than me cancelling my membership and demanding my > information is deleted. But I am happy to do the work to go either way. > > And can we have clarity on the position of the org on this? As a past > chair of EFA happy to help find a lawyer/other people to speak to. > > In my experience constitutions have some holes, because, of course > they do, and it is a red flag when people start to poke in them for > their own gain. > > Thanks, > > Lyndsey > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 7:34 AM Paul Esson via linux-aus > wrote: > > Doesn't section 7.5 state that members can request that their > information is not made public in this way? > > > If a member requests that any information contained on the > register about the member (other than the member?s name) not be > available for inspection, that information must not be made > available for inspection. > > Has the council breached the constitution by informing members of > their ability to make their details private? > > Paul > > > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, 7:40 am John Pearson via linux-aus, > wrote: > > ...and while we're asking?does the constitution compel them to > comply, and does the law permit them to do so without our consent? > > > On December 19, 2022 6:50:32 AM GMT+10:30, Chris Deigan via > linux-aus wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: > > Some time ago I asked the committee for some details > from the members register, being name and contact > details. > > > Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place? > > - Chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 08:25, Lyndsey Jackson via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Further to my email reply, Marcus, I missed this email "However, as they > did not like this request they sent out a message stating I have requested > this and advising you all that you can make your details private." > > It would be absolutely inadequate if my details were sent to you on the > basis of this action. My details are private and if I find out they get > sent to you I will start complaining. Loudly. > > I don't know what your intent or entitlement is here. I don't know you. > Can you please declare it? Briefly. In case I need a lawyer. I am not > engaging in an email conversation with you. Your intent seems malicious and > I will not partake or placate. > > Lyndsey > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 3:17 AM Marcus Herstik via linux-aus < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > >> I believe our council has breached their duties in upholding our >> association?s constitution. >> >> Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members >> register, being name and contact details. >> >> This was asked for under section 7, subsection 4 which states ?A member >> of the association may obtain a copy of ANY part of the register?? >> (emphasis mine). >> >> However, as they did not like this request they sent out a message >> stating I have requested this and advising you all that you can make your >> details private. >> >> I did not receive contact details of anyone. >> >> While they have stated that it would breach privacy I must state that all >> members have agreed to the constitution as part of membership and this >> request is specifically provided for in the constitution. See section 7. >> >> A member of the association has a right to request these details and the >> council can not refuse. >> >> Instead, in determining that they can override the constitution at their >> whim, they have breached our association?s constitution and their >> responsibility to uphold it and do the will of the members. >> >> If they want it changed then it must be put to a vote. >> >> As such I am advising you, the members of the association, that the >> constitution has been breached and I will be seeking a resolution to this >> with the council, under section 10(1). >> >> Regards, >> Marcus Herstik >> >> M: 0405-569-466 >> A: P.O. Box 2443, Burleigh Waters, QLD, 4220 >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-aus mailing list >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -- Colin Fee tfeccles at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My membership came about when Linux Victoria was subsumed into LA. > Here's Section 7 in full: > 7. Register of members > > .... > > I also assume there's a process for proposing updates to the constitution. > Perhaps other members could advise the rationale behind the structure of > Section 7 and provide guidance on whether a change is feasible, if members > are concerned then they'll be able to propose an amendment and see it > passed by vote at an AGM. > > > Section 7 is an almost direct copy from the NSW Incorporated associations model rules, from a previous version I suspect. -- Colin Fee tfeccles at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjdp at cjdpenterprises.com Mon Dec 19 09:09:01 2022 From: cjdp at cjdpenterprises.com (C J du Preez) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:09:01 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> Message-ID: Given the Optus and Medibank breaches, and the fact that data from different sources can be combined and sold on the dark web to malicious actors, the ability to request member data in modern times seems dangerous and should be removed from the constitution in my opinion. C J du Preez On 19/12/22 07:52, Mark Foster via linux-aus wrote: > I agree Marcus's request seems particularly vexatious in terms of the way he's communicating with us here. > However before everyone else gets up-in-arms: > > - The Constitution is published at https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/ > - You joined Linux Australia therefore you have agreed to abide by the constitution; if elements here are a surprise then you have noone to blame but yourself for signing up without reading and considering the ramifications of it first. > > Here's Section 7 in full: > > > ?????? 7. Register of members > > (1) The public officer or the secretary of the association must establish and maintain a register of members of the association specifying the name and postal or residential address of each person who is a member of the association together with the date on which the person became a member. > (2) The register of members must be kept in Australia: > (a) at the main premises of the association, or > (b) if the association has no premises, at the association?s official address. > (c) in electronic format in a manner accessible to the public officer and secretary of the association. > (3) The portion of the register of members comprising names of members and dates on which the person became a member must be open for inspection, free of charge, by any member of the association within five business days of receipt of a written request by the public officer or secretary of the association. > (4) A member of the association may obtain a copy of any part of the register on payment of a fee of not more than $1 for each page copied or printed, or without fee for an electronic copy of the information. > (5) If a member requests that any information contained on the register about the member (other than the member?s name) not be available for inspection, that information must not be made available for inspection. > (6) A member must not use information about a person obtained from the register to contact or send material to the person, other than for: > (a) the purposes of sending the person a newsletter, a notice in respect of a meeting or other event relating to the association or other material relating to the association, or > (b) any other purpose necessary to comply with a requirement of the Act or the Regulation. > > To implement section (5) all you need to do is login to the membership portal, update your details and select the tickbox "Supress details for membership information requests" > > ... so a request under SubSection (4) is only going to reveal your name if you've exercised your rights under SubSection (5). > > SubSection (6) does make it clear the reasons that information obtained from the members register can be used - basically it needs to be about LA business.? A shame that Marcus hasn't provided assurance that his intentions are aligned with this clause. > > Long story short; though to my eyes the suppression of any information beyond 'need to know' should likely be the default, and not something someone has to explicitly exercise via (5) above, there's full transparency in terms of our ability to protect our own privacy as associated with the data LA holds about us. > > I also assume there's a process for proposing updates to the constitution. Perhaps other members could advise the rationale behind the structure of Section 7 and provide guidance on whether a change is feasible, if members are concerned then they'll be able to propose an amendment and see it passed by vote at an AGM. > > > Mark. > > On 19/12/2022 10:19 am, Lyndsey Jackson via linux-aus wrote: >> Can we have the constitution updated so that I don't have to feel concerned that this man, who I don't know can stop claiming a right to my private contact details? >> >> That seems less work for us, and more beneficial for me as an individual than me cancelling my membership and demanding my information is deleted. But I am happy to do the work to go either way. >> >> And can we have clarity on the position of the org on this? As a past chair of EFA happy to help find a lawyer/other people to speak to. >> >> In my experience constitutions have some holes, because, of course they do, and it is a red flag when people start to poke in them for their own gain. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lyndsey >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 7:34 AM Paul Esson via linux-aus wrote: >> >> ??? Doesn't section 7.5 state that members can request that their >> ??? information is not made public in this way? >> >> ??? > If a member requests that any information contained on the >> ??? register about the member (other than the member?s name) not be >> ??? available for inspection, that information must not be made >> ??? available for inspection. >> >> ??? Has the council breached the constitution by informing members of >> ??? their ability to make their details private? >> >> ??? Paul >> >> >> >> ??? On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, 7:40 am John Pearson via linux-aus, >> ??? wrote: >> >> ??????? ...and while we're asking?does the constitution compel them to >> ??????? comply, and does the law permit them to do so without our consent? >> >> >> ??????? On December 19, 2022 6:50:32 AM GMT+10:30, Chris Deigan via >> ??????? linux-aus wrote: >> >> ??????????? On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote: >> >> ??????????????? Some time ago I asked the committee for some details >> ??????????????? from the members register, being name and contact >> ??????????????? details. >> >> ??????????? Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place? >> >> ??????????? - Chris >> ??????????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ??????????? linux-aus mailing list >> ??????????? linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> ??????????? http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> ??????????? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> ??????????? linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au >> >> ??????? -- ??????? Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my >> ??????? brevity. >> ??????? _______________________________________________ >> ??????? linux-aus mailing list >> ??????? linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> ??????? http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> ??????? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> ??????? linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au >> >> ??? _______________________________________________ >> ??? linux-aus mailing list >> ??? linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> ??? http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> ??? To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> ??? linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-aus mailing list >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to >> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au From brian at linuxpenguins.xyz Mon Dec 19 09:10:15 2022 From: brian at linuxpenguins.xyz (Brian May) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 09:10:15 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> Message-ID: <87r0wwuzw8.fsf@canidae.wired.pri> Mark Foster via linux-aus writes: > - The Constitution is published at > https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/ > - You joined Linux Australia therefore you have agreed to abide by the > constitution; if elements here are a surprise then you have noone to > blame but yourself for signing up without reading and considering the > ramifications of it first. Like it or not - in this day and age where nearly every website requires you to agree to their terms and conditions, I don't think it is reasonable to assume that everybody signing up to Linux Australia will have a firm understanding of the consequences of every point in the Constitution or seek legal advice before signing up. -- Brian May https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/ From lukeh at hovo.id.au Mon Dec 19 09:59:56 2022 From: lukeh at hovo.id.au (Luke Hovington) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:59:56 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <87r0wwuzw8.fsf@canidae.wired.pri> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> <87r0wwuzw8.fsf@canidae.wired.pri> Message-ID: I agree with the actions LA committee took in regards to our privacy, informing us that the request took place and how we could opt out if we wanted to. When I have been in possession of people?s personal information in the past due to my position and some other member has asked me for it I have taken the the approach of: ?If you give me your details, I will pass them on and they can contact you.? This way each person has the choice to pass on their information to the other party if the want. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattcen at mattcen.com Mon Dec 19 10:44:21 2022 From: mattcen at mattcen.com (Matt Cengia) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:44:21 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: Daniel, On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 09:07, Daniel Pocock wrote: > "this man": there is a hint of sexism there, demonizing men. Some men, > like some women, really are demons but most are not. Sure, Lindsey could've used "this person" instead, but your objection here seems like a straw person argument. > With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au mailing list on CC. Given that https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus states that "*The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator*", this does not feel like an OK for you to have done, and it's not obvious how you gathered this list, unless you just sought anybody who had contributed to the list over the past X years. -- Matt Cengia (pronouns: they/them/theirs ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regardless of how this information was obtained (a matter which I think should also be investigated), Daniel's actions here are egregious. They stand in stark contrast to the values of Linux Australia, in particular those of community and respect. Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number of people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly describing concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It is inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no justification for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from Linux Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from the mailing lists. I urge the Council to begin that process immediately. mjec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:57 PM Michael Cordover via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, at 18:44, Matt Cengia via linux-aus wrote: > > With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au mailing list on CC. > > > Given that https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus states > that "*The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator*", > this does not feel like an OK for you to have done, and it's not obvious > how you gathered this list, unless you just sought anybody who had > contributed to the list over the past X years. > > > Regardless of how this information was obtained (a matter which I think > should also be investigated), Daniel's actions here are egregious. They > stand in stark contrast to the values of Linux Australia, in particular > those of community and respect. > > Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number of > people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly describing > concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It is inflammatory and > designed to cause upset. I can see no justification for it, and it demands > a swift and serious response. > > I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from Linux > Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from the mailing > lists. I urge the Council to begin that process immediately. > > mjec > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dustyn at remexchange.net Mon Dec 19 11:01:08 2022 From: dustyn at remexchange.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Dustyn_Blackmore?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:01:08 +0000 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - members register request section 7 In-Reply-To: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> Message-ID: <0100018527af263e-03a0ade9-f764-437b-b3d5-01f6eb8b9ccd-000000@email.amazonses.com> Good Morning Marcus, and Linux Australia I trust this email finds you all safe and well. I would like to thank Marcus for this engagement. I genuinely believe it has identified gaps in the constitution, and or in significant interpretation of it. I would also like to take a moment to remind all interested parties / stakeholders to remain calm, patient, and in this case; on topic. Marcus has; made an official request, with supporting references to the constitution, and has had such request remain unfulfilled without sufficient (for Marcus) justification or amendment to the same referenced constitution. Whilst we may have personal/professional opinions of how this should be handled; the constitution that was agreed to is generally quite clear. Having said this, I would like to thank Linux Australia for their handling, and thank Marcus, again, for his patience yet persistence on the matter. @Marcus Herstik: where your request aligns with the following items (6) A member must not use information about a person obtained from the register to contact or send material to the person, other than for: (a) the purposes of sending the person a newsletter, a notice in respect of a meeting or other event relating to the association or other material relating to the association, or (b) any other purpose necessary to comply with a requirement of the Act or the Regulation. Would you be comfortable if your requirement for this information was fulfilled via another means, such as a newsletter, notice, poll, etc. @Linux Australia: It is abundantly clear that the constitution needs some attention. Where there is an appetite for this activity; I would like to help/support. https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/, and https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/blob/master/constitution.txt @Linux Australia: I strongly recommend all recipients review their settings facilitated by statement; (5) If a member requests that any information contained on the register about the member (other than the member?s name) not be available for inspection, that information must not be made available for inspection. The can be completed, post login; Members Area, then Update My Profile. -----Original Message----- From: linux-aus On Behalf Of Marcus Herstik via linux-aus Sent: Monday, 19 December 2022 3:47 AM To: Linux Australia Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - members register request section 7 I believe our council has breached their duties in upholding our association?s constitution. Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members register, being name and contact details. This was asked for under section 7, subsection 4 which states ?A member of the association may obtain a copy of ANY part of the register?? (emphasis mine). However, as they did not like this request they sent out a message stating I have requested this and advising you all that you can make your details private. I did not receive contact details of anyone. While they have stated that it would breach privacy I must state that all members have agreed to the constitution as part of membership and this request is specifically provided for in the constitution. See section 7. A member of the association has a right to request these details and the council can not refuse. Instead, in determining that they can override the constitution at their whim, they have breached our association?s constitution and their responsibility to uphold it and do the will of the members. If they want it changed then it must be put to a vote. As such I am advising you, the members of the association, that the constitution has been breached and I will be seeking a resolution to this with the council, under section 10(1). Regards, Marcus Herstik M: 0405-569-466 A: P.O. Box 2443, Burleigh Waters, QLD, 4220 _______________________________________________ linux-aus mailing list linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Mon Dec 19 11:01:50 2022 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:01:50 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Constitutional background and towards a reformed constitution for Linux Australia Message-ID: Hi folx, Firstly I hope that this note finds everyone safe, well and doing OK, after another challenging year on several fronts. Here, I'm weaving together several threads of discussion on the mailing list in an attempt to help the community forge a path ahead; this isn't Council endorsed - I'm doing this because I know how much Council has on at this time of year with end of year accounting, annual report and election preparation. They simply don't have time to get involved in discussions on list at the moment. So, I'm providing information that the community needs if they want to change the Constitution. I am going to remain neutral on whether the constitution *should* be changed - and limit the information here to the tools the community can use to *effect* change, if desired. CONSTITUTIONAL BACKGROUND Linux Australia is an incorporated association registered in the state of New South Wales. As such, the primary legislative authority is the Office of Fair Trading in NSW [1]. The primary underpinning legislation is the NSW Incorporated Associations Act 2009 (NSW) [2].? The legislation divides Associations into Tier 1 and Tier 2 organisations, depending on their size and assets. Linux Australia, due to its holdings, is a Tier 1 organisation. The Office of Fair Trading makes available a "model constitution" that associations can use as their association constitution - this gets updated from time to time, and was most recently updated earlier in the year [3]. For example, the new model constitution is more specific about elements such as the quorum required at general meetings. It provides an excellent basis for LA's constitution, but has had holes in it in the past. I haven't read the new one in depth, so cannot comment on it here. PREVIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGES Linux Australia has previously made constitutional changes, generally with the intent to come into compliance with the Act, or to remain compliant. Some of the organisational history here is before my time, but I've done my best to provide links to relevant changes. You'll note that community discussion on changes was, ah, equally vociferous. - In 2004, changes were made to allow the Secretary to approve memberships without needing approval by a Committee (Council) meeting (among others I think) [4] - In 2011, changes were made to align with the Act and I believe to move the financial year of the organisation to better align with conference financials [5] MAKING A CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE In general, the Council has the power to make a constitutional change without consulting the membership. In practice, this has been discussed on this mailing list, and often put to a formal vote of members. For example, in 2017, a proposal to change the organisation's name was proposed (for transparency, by me in my capacity as then-President), and voted on as a motion at the upcoming AGM [6]. Once a decision has been arrived at, a member of the Council, or the organisation's public officer then contacts the Office of Fair Trading to update the Constitution. Fair Trading must agree to the change, and for this reason, Linux Australia will provide a rationale for the change - including, for example, results of a motion voted on at an AGM or SGM. MAKING CHANGE HAPPEN IN PRACTICE So, that's the *legislative* and *procedural* aspect of constitutional change for Linux Australia. In reality, the process of change often takes months of negotiation, discussion and debate on list. These discussions can get heated and occasionally, uncivil - so let's avoid that - but the energy here shows the passion that our membership has for creating structures that reflect our values and desired ways of working. WHAT NEXT? - If the community wishes to change the Constitution, you need to reach agreement on what you want to change it *to* - The Model Constitution is a good starting point. - In the past, GitHub has been used as a platform to transparently discuss and see changes and proposals - https://github.com/linuxaustralia. - When a loose consensus has been arrived at, the change is generally put up for voting on - at an AGM or SGM. They both have notice periods. Kind regards, Kathy Reid [1] https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/associations-and-co-operatives/associations [2] https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current/act-2009-007 [3] https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/associations-and-co-operatives/associations/starting-an-association/model-constitution see also https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/word_doc/0018/1102491/Model-Constitution-for-Associations-2022-3.docx [4] 2004 - https://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2004-January/009490.html [5] 2011 - https://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2011-May/018832.html [6] https://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2017-December/023288.html From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Mon Dec 19 11:08:55 2022 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:08:55 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <198c649b-521e-7f49-f817-1a8fe3474729@kathyreid.id.au> The specific constitutional basis for disciplining members is S(11) of the current constitution [1], which reads: > (1) A complaint may be made to the committee by any person that a member of the association: >(a) has refused or neglected to comply with a provision or provisions of this constitution, or >(b) has wilfully acted in a manner prejudicial to the interests of the association. >(2) The committee may refuse to deal with a complaint if it considers the complaint to be trivial or vexatious in nature. >(3) If the committee decides to deal with the complaint, the committee: >(a) must cause notice of the complaint to be served on the member concerned, and >(b) must give the member at least 14 days from the time the notice is served within which to make submissions to the committee in connection with the complaint, and >(c) must take into consideration any submissions made by the member in connection with the complaint. >(4) The committee may, by resolution, expel the member from the association or suspend the member from membership of the association if, after considering the complaint and any submissions made in connection with the complaint, it is satisfied that the facts alleged in the complaint have been proved and the expulsion or suspension is warranted in the circumstances. >(5) If the committee expels or suspends a member, the secretary must, within 7 days after the action is taken, cause written notice to be given to the member of the action taken, of the reasons given by the committee for having taken that action and of the member?s right of appeal under clause 12. >(6) The expulsion or suspension does not take effect: >(a) until the expiration of the period within which the member is entitled to appeal against the resolution concerned, or >(b) if within that period the member exercises the right of appeal, unless and until the association confirms the resolution under clause 12, whichever is the later. Could I suggest that a motion similar to: "Pursuant to S(11) of Linux Australia's constitution, we, the undersigned, MOVE that DANIEL POCOCK be disciplined for wilfully acting in a manner prejudicial to the interests of the association by scraping list member email addresses without consent [insert list reference] and now forward this to Council for their consideration." be moved on list? This provides a constitutional basis for disciplinary action, and specifies in detail the manner in which the constitution has been breached. This makes it harder to dispute, and provides an evidentiary basis for Council's decision making, and provides procedural compliance, for example, if the matter got escalated to the Office of Fair Trading. Kind regards, Kathy Reid [1] https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/ On 19/12/22 11:00, Steven Ellis via linux-aus wrote: > I second this motion. > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:57 PM Michael Cordover via linux-aus > wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, at 18:44, Matt Cengia via linux-aus wrote: >>> With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au mailing list on CC. >> >> Given that >> https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus?states that >> "/The subscribers list is only available to the list >> administrator/", this does not feel like an OK for you to have >> done, and it's not obvious how you gathered this list, unless you >> just sought anybody who had contributed to the list over the past >> X years. > > Regardless of how this information was obtained (a matter which I > think should also be investigated), Daniel's actions here are > egregious. They stand in stark contrast to the values of Linux > Australia, in particular those of community and respect. > > Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number > of people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly > describing concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It > is inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no > justification for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. > > I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from > Linux Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from > the mailing lists. I urge the Council to begin that process > immediately. > > mjec > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gt at dvize.com Mon Dec 19 11:11:31 2022 From: gt at dvize.com (Glenn | Dvize) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:11:31 +0000 Subject: [Linux-aus] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: On 19/12/2022 10:55 am, Michael Cordover via linux-aus wrote: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, at 18:44, Matt Cengia via linux-aus wrote: > >>> With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au mailing list on CC. >> >> Given that https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus states that "The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator", this does not feel like an OK for you to have done, and it's not obvious how you gathered this list, unless you just sought anybody who had contributed to the list over the past X years. > > Regardless of how this information was obtained (a matter which I think should also be investigated), Daniel's actions here are egregious. They stand in stark contrast to the values of Linux Australia, in particular those of community and respect. > > Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number of people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly describing concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It is inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no justification for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. > > I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from Linux Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from the mailing lists. I urge the Council to begin that process immediately. > > mjec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markwalkom at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 11:04:27 2022 From: markwalkom at gmail.com (Mark Walkom) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:04:27 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: I would encourage members to make a complaint to the committee regarding this behaviour, it's not acceptable on any level. On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 09:07, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 18/12/2022 22:19, Lyndsey Jackson via linux-aus wrote: > > Can we have the constitution updated so that I don't have to feel > > concerned that this man, who I don't know can stop claiming a right to > > my private contact details? > > "this man": there is a hint of sexism there, demonizing men. Some men, > like some women, really are demons but most are not. > > This clause in a constitution protects the integrity of the association. > In any organization that is serious about its cause, it is imperative > that members can work around the committee and talk to each other > directly. If you just want to be an anonymous groupie then you can > resign and join one of millions of impotent facebook groups. > > The British have a real-world version of facebook, they call it > kettling. Like soccer, it never really caught on in Australia to the > same extent as the UK. > > Look at the crisis in Twitter when Elon Musk closed the accounts of > leading journalists last week. That is why it is so important that > humans can contact each other directly and not be at the mercy of > thin-skinned dictators and algorithms. > > With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au mailing list on CC. > > Lyndsey, if you really care about your privacy then please listen to the > adults and stop using gmail. > > Regards, > > Daniel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is > inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no justification > for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. I certainly agree with the sentiment, however it is worth pointing out that the list archives are public[1] and anyone can scrape all e-mail addresses from them with only a few minutes' work, even if they are not a member of the list. Recently Elon Musk has been in hot water for banning the Twitter account that posted flight details of his private jet. Apparently the ban was considered inappropriate, because the flight details are available to the public on other web sites, so all that was done was re-posting already public information to Twitter, for which that person was banned. If all Daniel has done is re-post public information here, then it seems that a ban may be overreacting? Unless of course you are focusing on the moral aspect instead. > I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from Linux > Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from the > mailing lists. I urge the Council to begin that process immediately. Perhaps it's a good reminder how much of our information is out there in public already. Cheers, Adam. [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/ From joel at addison.net.au Mon Dec 19 11:36:35 2022 From: joel at addison.net.au (Joel Addison) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:36:35 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <370418D3-4DF5-4C3D-B49C-E624502D62E1@addison.net.au> > On 19 Dec 2022, at 9:55 am, Michael Cordover via linux-aus wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, at 18:44, Matt Cengia via linux-aus wrote: >>> With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au mailing list on CC. >> >> Given that https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus states that "The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator", this does not feel like an OK for you to have done, and it's not obvious how you gathered this list, unless you just sought anybody who had contributed to the list over the past X years. > > Regardless of how this information was obtained (a matter which I think should also be investigated), Daniel's actions here are egregious. They stand in stark contrast to the values of Linux Australia, in particular those of community and respect. > > Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number of people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly describing concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It is inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no justification for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. > > I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from Linux Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from the mailing lists. I urge the Council to begin that process immediately. > > mjec Hi Michael, Matt and everyone, We have received numerous complaints about this behaviour and have acted to limit his ability to access Linux Australia mailing lists as much as possible, however we are limited in what we can do once emails are sent outside our infrastructure as I?m sure you can understand. Daniel does not have access to any of the mailing list subscribers, now or in the past, so we assume he has scraped this information as he did in a similar incident a couple of years ago. We will look at further actions specifically regarding Daniel Pocock, as you and others have suggested. I ask the community to please not engage with Daniel, nor send any of his emails to the mailing list via replies or otherwise. Thanks, Joel Addison President Linux Australia president at linux.org.au http://linux.org.au Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia Limited Liability (NSW) Y2998126 ABN 56 987 117 479 ARBN 618 108 544 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ljk+la at ljk.id.au Mon Dec 19 11:37:51 2022 From: ljk+la at ljk.id.au (Les Kitchen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:37:51 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <231433ac-d0e4-b3f8-f00a-253761f1c057@blakjak.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 08:52, Mark Foster via linux-aus wrote: ... > - The Constitution is published at https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/ ... > To implement section (5) all you need to do is login to the > membership portal, update your details and select the tickbox > "Supress details for membership information requests" Thanks for that practical information. And thanks to everyone else who has made contributions to this topic. If I might add my input to this discussion: 1. As far as I know, this is a situation that hasn't arisen before, so it's not surprising that members and the council are somewhat caught off-guard by this unexpected request. 2. I'm mostly familiar with incorporated associations in Victoria, but I think the provisions are similar to those in NSW. Most associations adopt the Model Rules of that state. Whether Linux Australia adopted such Model Rules as its constitution verbatim, or made some minor changes, that I'll have to leave to people who know the historical origins of LA. However, it's pretty clear that the current LA constitution was conceived in a less electronic age, when if a member needed to contact other members for legitimate purposes, then the only practical way would've been by post or telephone. It's equally clear that the balance of concerns is very different in the current age of data breaches and surveillance capitalism. And in practical terms, we do have a mailing list, by which any member can contact other members. It is true, though, that not all members are on this list, so there might need to be some over-ride provision by which a member in extreme circumstances could send a message to all members. 3. Yes, it is possible to change the constitution. But it's not as simple as you might think. I'll leave it to those more familiar with the particulars of NSW law, but any change to the constitution must be consistent with the relevant legislation, and that probably requires getting legal advice. It'll probably also need a super-majority in a special resolution put to a general meeting of members. In Victoria, it's 75%, and I expect it'd be similar in NSW. 4. In the immediate situation, making members much more aware of the privacy implications of the current constitution is the best we can do, and encourage those with concerns (which I imagine would be most) to select the "suppress details" option in their membership profile (as I've just done). As mentioned, many members would be unaware of these provisions of the constitution about requests for membership records. I hope this helps. ? Smiles, Les. P.S. I note with amusement and gratitude that the council (as permitted) has decided to vary to zero the $1 joining fee and the $2 annual membership fee set out in the constitution. From blakjak at blakjak.net Mon Dec 19 11:41:51 2022 From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 13:41:51 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <20221219103217.5fe26a5a@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> <20221219103217.5fe26a5a@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> Message-ID: <3b7aeb34-99d3-1561-1689-fb1558359364@blakjak.net> On 19/12/2022 1:32 pm, Adam Nielsen via linux-aus wrote: >>> Given that https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >>> states that "*The subscribers list is only available to the list >>> administrator*", this does not feel like an OK for you to have >>> done, and it's not obvious how you gathered this list, unless you >>> just sought anybody who had contributed to the list over the past X >>> years. >> Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number of >> people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly >> describing concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It is >> inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no justification >> for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. > I certainly agree with the sentiment, however it is worth pointing out > that the list archives are public[1] and anyone can scrape all e-mail > addresses from them with only a few minutes' work, even if they are not > a member of the list. > > Recently Elon Musk has been in hot water for banning the Twitter > account that posted flight details of his private jet. Apparently the > ban was considered inappropriate, because the flight details are > available to the public on other web sites, so all that was done was > re-posting already public information to Twitter, for which that person > was banned. > > If all Daniel has done is re-post public information here, then it > seems that a ban may be overreacting? Unless of course you are > focusing on the moral aspect instead. The down-side of an large open-CC recipient list is that everyone's details are now in everyone-elses's mailboxes. It just makes us all that much more likely to become future victims of malicious actors, when one of us inadvertently gets phished and their mailboxes are used for finding personal information, more victims, etc.? As opposed to the mailing list, which - though archived and public - makes this a little more difficult and operates in a way that is fully transparent to everyone in the group. Through Daniel's actions I now have, in my email box, the direct email addresses for a stack of people I don't know personally, in a context I did not request or welcome.... and though you could argue that when one participates in a public forum, one essentially opens the door to this sort of thing... it's, quite frankly, rude, and provocative. This whole thread (situation) is unnecessarily pedantic is not helping ensure that LA remains a friendly and accessible community. If anything, it's doing the opposite. And i'd support the move for disciplinary action to be considered, as a consequence. From lyematt at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 11:45:52 2022 From: lyematt at gmail.com (Matthew Lye) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:45:52 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] How the council breached their constitution - membersregister request section 7 In-Reply-To: <93ac822d-466d-d2c3-82a5-89627ef27321@pocock.pro> References: <61CA4839-38F3-4448-8E45-31D5B2273172@herstik.com> <2726158a-9747-436a-871d-903659894b5f@app.fastmail.com> <605614c8-cd8a-45a6-b385-c85d8af06092@app.fastmail.com> <93ac822d-466d-d2c3-82a5-89627ef27321@pocock.pro> Message-ID: You need to see some professional help if you believe that diatribe is at all representative of this situation. You are equiating an organisation expelling a member for poor behaviour with the wholesale execution of millions of people. You also keep ignoring the part of the constitution that specifies the purposes that you can have and use those details for. Despite questions, you refuse to explain why you want them. I agree your request is allowable, if its intended use is as defined in the constitution. I also agree that there is nothing inherently wrong with the scraping, though its intent was clearly antagonistic. I do believe the organisation should expel you for the incredibly poor behaviour and extreme disrespect you seem to hold for the other members. -Matthew Lye On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 10:33, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > The Holocaust was all about banning, censoring and expelling Jews. > Words we hear every day in open source now. It is funny how people in > open source take a few dollars from Google and they come off sounding > like nazis. > > Hitler had a lot of seconders but they were all wrong. > > Expelling people at Christmas is the stuff of nazis. If you have no > conscience then keep going down that path. Human beings listen to all > sides, nazis punish and destroy. > > Two or more people getting together to ban, expel, shame or humiliate > one volunteer is just a formalized version of gang rape. > > The constitution says that all members have a right to share the contact > details of other members. The constitution is the law. The reference > to expulsion is therefore an illegal act of cyberbullying. > > If the committee ignores the law then, to advance the constitution and > protect the law of NSW, somebody will have to publish the list on a web > site so all members can lawfully access it. That is what the > constitution tells us. > > Hopefully the committee will act like adults but if there is no evidence > of maturity here by 7pm AEST then volunteers will have to protect the > constitution. > > Regards, > > Daniel > > Debian Developer > > > > On 19/12/2022 01:00, Steven Ellis via linux-aus wrote: > > I second this motion. > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:57 PM Michael Cordover via linux-aus > > > > wrote: > > > > __ > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, at 18:44, Matt Cengia via linux-aus wrote: > >>> With that in mind, I put the email addresses from the > >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > >>> mailing list on CC. > >> > >> Given > >> that https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus states > >> that "/The subscribers list is only available to the list > >> administrator/", this does not feel like an OK for you to have > >> done, and it's not obvious how you gathered this list, unless you > >> just sought anybody who had contributed to the list over the past > >> X years. > > > > Regardless of how this information was obtained (a matter which I > > think should also be investigated), Daniel's actions here are > > egregious. They stand in stark contrast to the values of Linux > > Australia, in particular those of community and respect. > > > > Deliberately publishing the personal information of a large number > > of people, without consent, in response to a thread explicitly > > describing concerns with such disclosure, is at best immoral. It is > > inflammatory and designed to cause upset. I can see no justification > > for it, and it demands a swift and serious response. > > > > I think the appropriate response is to expel Daniel Pocock from > > Linux Australia, ban him from associated events, and ban him from > > the mailing lists. 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From mikey at neuling.org Mon Dec 19 16:01:43 2022 From: mikey at neuling.org (Michael Neuling) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 16:01:43 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Message-ID: FWIW I suggest just buying yourself an rtl-sdr.com dongle + antennas for $50 and sniff around to see if you can find one in your local area. IMHO rtl_433 is pretty much magic and supports decoding tons of wireless weather stations. eg look for fineoffset wh* devices here: ??https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433/tree/master/src/devices rtl_433 can then export it via MQTT (open standard) to something like homeassistant for a nice interface. Mikey On Fri, 2022-12-16 at 17:37 +1000, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know > where to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down this road before. > Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came up > with the following: > Essentials > * dual indoor & outdoor stations > * metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall > * can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol in a > sensible format like JSON, CSV, or plain text > * doesn't require a cloud service to operate > * wireless connection to outdoor unit > * 15 minute resolution > * accurate clock > Nice to have > * solar power for outdoor unit > * metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar levels > * self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge > * wireless connection to indoor unit > * 1 minute resolution > * (S)NTP client > * HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the Internet > * decent web interface > * option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects without > compromising privacy > Anything else I should think about?? Am I dreamin' [1]?? I am assuming that I > would put them on their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to anything > but what I permit. > What price should I expect to pay?? What brands are worth investigating or > avoiding?? I'm in South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to what > temperature or humidity tolerances it needs. > Thanks in advance, > Paul > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxaus at joeladdison.com Sat Dec 24 12:49:26 2022 From: linuxaus at joeladdison.com (President, Linux Australia) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:49:26 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Linux Australia - Statement on Mailing List Conduct Message-ID: <900FE9F2-58B7-45D5-B526-518B5800751C@linux.org.au> Linux Australia would like to make it clear that the conduct of a certain individual on and off the linux-aus mailing list earlier this week was not in line with the expectations of our Communications Policy [1] or Code of Conduct [2]. We do not condone the comments made. Comments like this hold no place in our community. The individual in question is not a Linux Australia member. There is no way a person demonstrating such behaviour could be accepted as a member of Linux Australia. The behaviour exhibited does not align with any of Linux Australia?s Values[3], nor those of the open source community in general. Linux Australia provides support to a large number of open technologies communities across Australia and abroad. A key part of open source is the ability to collaborate with others to achieve greater outcomes, and it is important to us that we offer a safe space to everyone to do this. We are fortunate to have a diverse group of people as part of our membership, and Linux Australia is committed to support them in their endeavours to positively contribute to the open source community as a whole. Linux Australia Council [1] Communications Policy - https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/blob/master/communications-policy.md [2] Code of Conduct - https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md [3] Linux Australia Values https://linux.org.au/about-us/values/ From svendowideit at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:45:15 2022 From: svendowideit at gmail.com (Sven Dowideit) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 14:45:15 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Everything Open conference discussions Message-ID: Heya everyone, I'm looking to find where we're talking about our upcoming conference. I've been lucky enough to have spoken at a few conferences in the past - OSDC and LCA have been wonderful both from an attendee, and a contributor points of view, and I'm expecting the same joy from EA. Is there a Mastodon hashtag, Discord, Matrix server, or something where I can talk to people about what they're hoping to see (as a prompter for what talks I'll submit), or small things that I can do to help, or to help someone else (new speakers?) refine their ideas for a talk??? I'm seriously looking forward to EA, and am very much hoping to be able to attend in person, because I miss it (and you all). And I'm not just coming to go ice skating - but I will be bringing my skates. Happy Holidays! -- Sven. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jared at ring.gs Sat Dec 24 13:50:47 2022 From: jared at ring.gs (Jared Ring) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:50:47 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Message-ID: This is exactly what I've done. My neighbour has a weather station attached to our fence, that means I have a weather station too using rtl_433 On Sat, 24 Dec 2022, 11:52 am Michael Neuling via linux-aus, < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > FWIW I suggest just buying yourself an rtl-sdr.com dongle + antennas for > $50 and sniff around to see if you can find one in your local area. > > IMHO rtl_433 is pretty much magic and supports decoding tons of wireless > weather stations. eg look for fineoffset wh* devices here: > https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433/tree/master/src/devices > > rtl_433 can then export it via MQTT (open standard) to something like > homeassistant for a nice interface. > > Mikey > > On Fri, 2022-12-16 at 17:37 +1000, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really know > where to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down this road > before. > > Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I came > up with the following: > > Essentials > > - dual indoor & outdoor stations > - metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall > - can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol in > a sensible format like JSON, CSV, or plain text > - doesn't require a cloud service to operate > - wireless connection to outdoor unit > - 15 minute resolution > - accurate clock > > Nice to have > > - solar power for outdoor unit > - metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, battery/solar > levels > - self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge > - wireless connection to indoor unit > - 1 minute resolution > - (S)NTP client > - HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to the > Internet > - decent web interface > - option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects > without compromising privacy > > Anything else I should think about? Am I dreamin' [1]? I am assuming > that I would put them on their own wireless SSID & VLAN with no access to > anything but what I permit. > > What price should I expect to pay? What brands are worth investigating or > avoiding? I'm in South-East Queensland, if that makes any difference to > what temperature or humidity tolerances it needs. > > Thanks in advance, > Paul > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwoithe at just42.net Sat Dec 24 15:39:20 2022 From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 15:09:20 +1030 Subject: [Linux-aus] Everything Open conference discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sven On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 02:45:15PM +1000, Sven Dowideit via linux-aus wrote: > I'm looking to find where we're talking about our upcoming conference. Thus far announcements have been made on the relevant mailing lists, and I also understand that they have gone out on social media. The Call for Papers, Call for Volunteers, and Financial Assistance Program are also all detailed on the conference website at https://2023.everythingopen.au/ Linux-related media (such as LWN.net) are also posting details relevent to them. Details about the conference-specific announcement mailing list can be found at https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/eo-announce Twitter and Linkedin links can be found on the EO2023 "Contact Us" page at https://2023.everythingopen.au/about/contact/ > Is there a Mastodon hashtag, Discord, Matrix server, or something where I > can talk to people about what they're hoping to see (as a prompter for what > talks I'll submit), or small things that I can do to help, or to help > someone else (new speakers?) refine their ideas for a talk??? Linux Australia has a Matrix channel at #linuxaus:matrix.org which may be worth checking out. Regards jonathan From lca at oldfield.wattle.id.au Mon Dec 26 10:56:06 2022 From: lca at oldfield.wattle.id.au (Kim Oldfield) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 10:56:06 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] FLOSS-and-Linux-friendly weather stations? In-Reply-To: References: <92778f8a-d6dd-684b-f3d7-a4f0980a5d0a@gear.email> Message-ID: <9b0e9ab9-b609-c9bc-68ae-7f8aef70531e@oldfield.wattle.id.au> Hi Mikey, rtl-433 looks nice, but it isn't clear what hardware it works with. Are you suggesting that most rtl-sdr devices will work? Is searching ebay or aliexpress for "usb rtl-sdr" a good way to find a reasonably priced device to use with rtl-433? Regards, Kim On 19/12/22 16:01, Michael Neuling via linux-aus wrote: > FWIW I suggest just buying yourself an rtl-sdr.com dongle + antennas > for $50 and sniff around to see if you can find one in your local area. > > IMHO rtl_433 is pretty much magic and supports decoding tons of > wireless weather stations. eg look for fineoffset wh* devices here: > https://github.com/merbanan/rtl_433/tree/master/src/devices > > rtl_433 can then export it via MQTT (open standard) to something like > homeassistant for a nice interface. > > Mikey > > On Fri, 2022-12-16 at 17:37 +1000, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I'm looking to get a weather station for the family and don't really >> know where to start - I'm hoping some of you might have been down >> this road before. >> >> Thinking about what I would like to get out of a weather station, I >> came up with the following: >> >> Essentials >> >> * dual indoor & outdoor stations >> * metrics: temperature, humidity, rainfall >> * can get data out via HTTP, FTP, or other standards-based protocol >> in a sensible format like JSON, CSV, or plain text >> * doesn't require a cloud service to operate >> * wireless connection to outdoor unit >> * 15 minute resolution >> * accurate clock >> >> Nice to have >> >> * solar power for outdoor unit >> * metrics: wind speed & direction, barometric pressure, >> battery/solar levels >> * self-emptying/no-reservoir rain gauge >> * wireless connection to indoor unit >> * 1 minute resolution >> * (S)NTP client >> * HTTP proxy support if it needs to make outbound connections to >> the Internet >> * decent web interface >> * option to contribute data to collaborative open data projects >> without compromising privacy >> >> Anything else I should think about?? 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