[Linux-aus] this list

David david_crosswell at telaman.net.au
Thu Sep 2 06:52:12 AEST 2021

On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:14:32 +1000
Karl Goetz via linux-aus <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote:

> On 1/9/21 12:37 pm, Ashley via linux-aus wrote:
> > 
> > On 1/9/21 1:09 am, Adam Nielsen via linux-aus wrote:
> >>> Past discussions here have had a conclusion that using this list for 
> >>> general
> >>> Linux support is OK.  But the majority of traffic here isn't about 
> >>> that which
> >>> will be a disincentive to people asking such questions.
> >>>
> >>> Should we have a separate list for Linux support in Australia to be 
> >>> welcoming
> >>> to such queries?
> >> Personally while I don't mind the odd support question, I'd probably
> >> unsubscribe if the list became support heavy, and I wouldn't subscribe
> >> to a new support list.  I'm already on specific lists for things I'm
> >> interested in (usually the app's own support list) and for OS level
> >> stuff I use the web forums provided by the distros I use.  Stack
> >> Exchange might not be open source but at least the user content is
> >> Creative Commons so I have no issue using that as one of many other
> >> alternatives.
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Adam.
> > 
> > I would like to make a comment that may be irrelevant but:
> > 
> > When I originally joined SLUG in the late 90s we had a list that was 
> > very active and useful. Many members asked questions related to the 
> > linux OS and replies came from many other members. At this time the 
> > group was member focused. It was populated with users and developers. We 
> > all helped each other. Now that we are members of Linux Australia the 
> > user focus has disappeared and it seems to have become a System Admin 
> > group. I know sys admin and politics are important areas but surely 
> > there is room for the users/amateur programmers/testers in the 
> > organisation.
> If the LA lists are anything like the other communities I'm involved in 
> its not that the sysadmins came and squeezed everyone else out, "rather 
> everyone" else left to find more specialised places to ask their 
> questions (which I believe is consistent with Adams text above).

Yes, that will definitely be part of it.
For me, for example, lists like debian-user, and OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and
DragonflyBSD, Bluefish, et al, are more specific in what I'm looking for.

But, there are other reasons.
I was once a member of SageAU and a couple of other organisations and they
all banded together, at one stage, for some common, inoffensive cause, but
advertised they would not be involved in advocacy to any degree.
Consequently, my membership lapsed in all of them.
I don't think I was alone.
What's the use of an organisation that is not prepared to advocate on behalf
of its members? 

This standing in the background, quietly and compliantly wibbling away in the
hope of potential future government funding, perhaps, doesn't cut it!

So, like many others, I just hang off the edges of the communities, these
days, just to keep an eye on what's happening.
Lack of involvement doesn't earn involvement.

> thanks,
> kk
> PS.
> That said, I am aware that more specialised groups for sysadmins like 
> SAGE-AU and AUUG effectively disappeared so there is probably more to 
> this story than I've given credit for above.
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