From cameron.shorter at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 08:27:20 2018 From: cameron.shorter at gmail.com (Cameron Shorter) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 08:27:20 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open Source folks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <339ecfbb-402b-2498-c3e3-637099f7101d@gmail.com> Folks, Thanks to those of you who have reviewed the response to the proposed Open Government National Action Plan. And I know a number of you are planning to add more feedback this week. (In a nutshell: The response explains Open Government needs to learn how to collaborate as effectively as Open Source communities, and what government needs to change to make this happen). OSIA folks and Linux Australia Council, I'm formally requesting that this letter be presented jointly by Open Source Industry Australia (OSIA) and Linux Australia. What is involved in getting this permission? A status update: * The Linux Journal has offered to publish a piece on this. I'll be reaching out to other publications in the next couple of weeks to invite them to publish too. (Suggestions of publications welcomed). * I've incorporated most changes suggested so far. I've had a couple of people suggest a better introduction / exec summary - which I'll be working on. * I'm hoping to collate all preliminary feedback within the next 2 weeks (by ~ 16 March). * Deadline for delivery of our response is 30 March. Document is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit# Warm regards, Cameron On 27/2/18 8:52 am, Cameron Shorter wrote: > The Australian Government has asked for feedback on how they are going > at Open Government, and I've started a draft response. I'm really keen > to make sure that this response is well constructed because I think > that if listened to, understood, and acted upon, then we can make a > huge difference to the effectiveness of Open Government worldwide - > and by extension, to Open Source as well. > > If you have a chance to read and provide review comments, I'd be very > grateful. Email me directly to get review access. > > (It will take ~ 10 minutes to read. Longer if you take time to think > about how things should be reworded and consider what is missing and > should be included.) > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#heading=h.5zu4u4o3l7zi > > -- Cameron Shorter Technology Demystifier, Learnosity Open Technologies Consultant M +61 (0) 419 142 254 From cameron.shorter at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 12:05:46 2018 From: cameron.shorter at gmail.com (Cameron Shorter) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:05:46 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open Source folks In-Reply-To: <04e901d3b41b$7b3a6ea0$71af4be0$@adam.com.au> References: <339ecfbb-402b-2498-c3e3-637099f7101d@gmail.com> <04e901d3b41b$7b3a6ea0$71af4be0$@adam.com.au> Message-ID: <847d7c6f-8a51-daa2-04ae-2416ef7ce8ca@gmail.com> Hi David. I much prefer you to "tell it how it is", so no offense taken. If you send me your google id (gmail address) then you will be able to put your comments into the document (it will make it easier for me to address all feedback, and also allow you to see feedback others have been giving me - some of which is in line with what you are saying). Thanks for the feedback, Cameron On 5/3/18 11:47 am, David Lloyd wrote: > > We request that: > > * Government?s decision makers are armed with the authoritative > research and guides so they can confidently trust, select and then > defend collaborative strategies which are often non-intuitive and > indirect. > * Government places a greater emphasis on long term sustainability > over short term milestones. > * Government agencies place a greater emphasis on co-development and > care about the communities on whom they depend. > * Government smooths spending cycles and embraces agile development > methodologies. > > I?m not known for ?beating around the bush? so don?t be offended, but: > > * Is the above written to: > 1. Win ?Buzzword Bingo?; or > 2. Convery something meaningful? > * Alternatively, it is really requesting the obvious? > > No Government agency, politician or decision maker will disagree with > any of the four points openly so it?s *not requesting something they > do not agree with* or *anything innovative*. > > Put more nicely, it?s a poor summary of some of the very good > recommendations within the letter. > > I?d be inclined to print out the recommendations from 1-13 and distil > them into no more than 3 points that will not win ?buzzword bingo? but > will, instead, attract its readers to investigate the rest of the letter. > > Whoever wrote it obviously could but I might suggest they may be too > close to the subject matter. > > On the other hand, if the honest answer is ?But we have to speak > buzzword bingo to get past the initial readers? then I could be wrong > here too. > > My 2c ? > > DSL > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linux-aus [mailto:linux-aus-bounces at lists.linux.org.au] On Behalf > > > Of Cameron Shorter via linux-aus > > > Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2018 4:27 PM > > > To: osgeo ; linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > > Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open > > > Source folks > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > Thanks to those of you who have reviewed the response to the proposed > > > Open Government National Action Plan. And I know a number of you are > > > planning to add more feedback this week. (In a nutshell: The response > > > explains Open Government needs to learn how to collaborate as > > > effectively as Open Source communities, and what government needs to > > > change to make this happen). > > > > > > OSIA folks and Linux Australia Council, I'm formally requesting that > this > > > letter be presented jointly by Open Source Industry Australia > > > (OSIA) and Linux Australia. What is involved in getting this permission? > > > > > > A status update: > > > > > > * The Linux Journal has offered to publish a piece on this. I'll be > reaching > > > out to other publications in the next couple of weeks to invite them to > > > publish too. (Suggestions of publications welcomed). > > > > > > * I've incorporated most changes suggested so far. I've had a couple of > > > people suggest a better introduction / exec summary - which I'll be > > > working on. > > > > > > * I'm hoping to collate all preliminary feedback within the next 2 weeks > > > (by ~ 16 March). > > > > > > * Deadline for delivery of our response is 30 March. > > > > > > Document is here: > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JS > > > > o0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit# > > > > > > > Warm regards, Cameron > > > > > > > > > On 27/2/18 8:52 am, Cameron Shorter wrote: > > > > The Australian Government has asked for feedback on how they are > > > going > > > > at Open Government, and I've started a draft response. I'm really keen > > > > to make sure that this response is well constructed because I think > > > > that if listened to, understood, and acted upon, then we can make a > > > > huge difference to the effectiveness of Open Government worldwide - > > > > and by extension, to Open Source as well. > > > > > > > > If you have a chance to read and provide review comments, I'd be very > > > > grateful. Email me directly to get review access. > > > > > > > > (It will take ~ 10 minutes to read. Longer if you take time to think > > > > about how things should be reworded and consider what is missing and > > > > should be included.) > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JS > > > > o0Ueraam > > > > > 39UHFOGHs/edit#heading=h.5zu4u4o3l7zi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cameron Shorter > > > Technology Demystifier, Learnosity > > > Open Technologies Consultant > > > > > > M +61 (0) 419 142 254 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > linux-aus mailing list > > > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to linux-aus- > > > > unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > -- Cameron Shorter Technology Demystifier, Learnosity Open Technologies Consultant M +61 (0) 419 142 254 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cameron.shorter at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 22:23:28 2018 From: cameron.shorter at gmail.com (Cameron Shorter) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:23:28 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open Source folks In-Reply-To: <339ecfbb-402b-2498-c3e3-637099f7101d@gmail.com> References: <339ecfbb-402b-2498-c3e3-637099f7101d@gmail.com> Message-ID: Folks, An update on our suggestions for the next Open Government National Action Plan: * We've included review feedback from scores of people, and a concise introduction, which starts: /Government bodies are continually duplicating effort. Why? Old acquisition processes have emphasised "value for money" and "mitigation of risk". However, in the digital economy, success indicators additionally include ?effectiveness of collaboration?, ?sustainability in the face of rapid innovation? and ?resilience to monopolistic behaviours?. We need to consider these new indicators in our future purchasing guidelines. / /... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#/ * We've incorporated feedback from ~ 20 people so far. If you want review access, and to see review comments, please email me to request it. * We're looking for technically savvy people who understand and believe that open government can collaborate better, to add their signatures to add gravity to the letter. Ask me for document access, or email me your name and big title for me to add for you. All the best, Cameron Shorter On 5/3/18 8:27 am, Cameron Shorter wrote: > Folks, > > Thanks to those of you who have reviewed the response to the proposed > Open Government National Action Plan. And I know a number of you are > planning to add more feedback this week. (In a nutshell: The response > explains Open Government needs to learn how to collaborate as > effectively as Open Source communities, and what government needs to > change to make this happen). > > OSIA folks and Linux Australia Council, I'm formally requesting that > this letter be presented jointly by Open Source Industry Australia > (OSIA) and Linux Australia. What is involved in getting this permission? > > A status update: > > * The Linux Journal has offered to publish a piece on this. I'll be > reaching out to other publications in the next couple of weeks to > invite them to publish too. (Suggestions of publications welcomed). > > * I've incorporated most changes suggested so far. I've had a couple > of people suggest a better introduction / exec summary - which I'll be > working on. > > * I'm hoping to collate all preliminary feedback within the next 2 > weeks (by ~ 16 March). > > * Deadline for delivery of our response is 30 March. > > Document is here: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit# > > > Warm regards, Cameron > > > On 27/2/18 8:52 am, Cameron Shorter wrote: >> The Australian Government has asked for feedback on how they are >> going at Open Government, and I've started a draft response. I'm >> really keen to make sure that this response is well constructed >> because I think that if listened to, understood, and acted upon, then >> we can make a huge difference to the effectiveness of Open Government >> worldwide - and by extension, to Open Source as well. >> >> If you have a chance to read and provide review comments, I'd be very >> grateful. Email me directly to get review access. >> >> (It will take ~ 10 minutes to read. Longer if you take time to think >> about how things should be reworded and consider what is missing and >> should be included.) >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#heading=h.5zu4u4o3l7zi >> >> > -- Cameron Shorter Technology Demystifier, Learnosity Open Technologies Consultant M +61 (0) 419 142 254 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.phillips at automatedtestsystems.com.au Tue Mar 20 03:46:51 2018 From: mark.phillips at automatedtestsystems.com.au (Mark Phillips) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 03:46:51 +1100 (AEDT) Subject: [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open Source folks In-Reply-To: References: <339ecfbb-402b-2498-c3e3-637099f7101d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <222172556.4685863.6736bd81-44ad-4293-b489-d7be6c515bfc.open-xchange@webmailox.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cameron.shorter at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 09:20:43 2018 From: cameron.shorter at gmail.com (Cameron Shorter) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:20:43 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open Source folks In-Reply-To: <222172556.4685863.6736bd81-44ad-4293-b489-d7be6c515bfc.open-xchange@webmailox.com.au> References: <339ecfbb-402b-2498-c3e3-637099f7101d@gmail.com> <222172556.4685863.6736bd81-44ad-4293-b489-d7be6c515bfc.open-xchange@webmailox.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks Mark for your feedback, I'll endevour to work through it (as well as the feedback a number of other people have been providing) over the next few days. If you have the chance to copy your feedback into the relevant sections of the document, that will make it easier for me to address. Otherwise I'll insert in where I think it is applicable. I have actioned (and resolved) most of the comments received so far. Outstanding comments are either: * Recent * Have some deep concepts behind them which I'm still considering how best to address * Conflicts with other priorities we are trying to achieve with this document. There have been ~ 20+ people who have been adding suggestions. I'm hoping to achieve "rough consensus" but am aware we can't satisfy everyone. With regards to the position of Linux Australia, I'm aware the Linux Australia Council met last week and was going to discuss supporting this proposal, but I haven't heard what was resolved. If someone from the council who was at the meeting could reach out to me to let me know how you would like to proceed, that would be great. Cheers, Cameron On 20/3/18 3:46 am, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Cameron, > > Let me be quiet clear. Neither myself nor OSIA support your open > letter to the Open Government forum in it?s current form. Nor did OSIA > initiate this open letter. I am rather alarmed that you have not > corrected or even addressed Kathy Reids comments^1 <#sdfootnote1sym> > in your latest iteration. > > My previous suggestions do not seem to have made it into your latest > draft, I intend to reiterate them below as well trying to overcome > what I see as a confusing document. > > Overall there seems to be a confusing discussion between open > government and open communities. The two are not synonymous. In order > to join the Open Government Partnership: > > ?countries must commit to uphold the principles of open and > transparent government by endorsing the Open Government Declaration?. > > Signing this declaration means the signatories are: > > ?committed to the principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of > Human Rights, the UN Convention against Corruption, and other > applicable international instruments related to human rights and good > governance:?^2 <#sdfootnote2sym> > > This is not the same as developing open source hardware/software. Nor > is it the same as an open community. It is alluding to the openness of > government itself. And yes having open communities is one mechanism > for deciding this. Technology is one mechanism for implementing this > and so is basic education. > > The emphasis in your proposal is to hand over the development of open > government to open communities without addressing some of the > fundamental issues with open communities. > > As you have mentioned wikipedia in your latest iteration, lets start > with wikipedia as an example. The main issue with wikipedia is the > continuous editing of controversial pages by opposing groups. This > continuous editing extends to the level where organisations edit their > pages to highlight their positives traits and to downplay their > negative traits. This is handle by wikipedia through locking pages and > banning access to repeat offenders. > > You have not highlighted let alone discussed the problems business > working with open communities and a possible solution to these > problems. (volunteers working at their own pace, feature definition, > corporate deadlines, licensing, dispute resolution etc). > > I also don't believe that an open community will help in the sense > that you define open communities. I believe that there should be a > hybrid of corporate and open source communities such that the better > parts of each of the communities is combined to produce a much better > working environment, if you insist in open communities working > directly with the government. > > In your proposal you make the statement > > ?By sharing our knowledge we share the profit from that knowledge; we > help reduce income disparity^3 <#sdfootnote3sym>;? > > This is a blanket statement with no references nor proof that shows > that this is indeed the case. How does an open community relying on > knowledge reduce income disparity. It is not until that knowledge is > implemented is there the possibility that income would be generated. > Unles you are talking about social income/social income disparity. > > While the tone of the open letter has been toned down since my last > review it still contains a number of statements which ?tell? the > government what to do. Further these statements come with no proof nor > references justifying the statements made. It does not discuss or even > allude to the issues surrounding open source communities or open > source licensing. I believe you miss the point of both Pia?s and > United States Assistant Secretary of Defense?s papers. Neither > abrogate that the government run open source projects. They discuss > how to leverage from open source projects. > > This is why I believe open standards for government interaction and > data use combined with multiple external open source communities would > achieve a better outcome for Open Source development in Australia. > Just look at the number of desktops that exist on Linux. They all work > to the same standard, are supported by open source communities and > are, to the most part, application inter-operational. > > Defining an open standard and then allowing open communities to evolve > around these standards provides multiple solutions in which there may > be multiple ?best? solutions. At this point Not only could the > government support specific open communities but could support > multiple open source communities essentially providing the same > functionality^4 <#sdfootnote4sym>. > > Overall the proposal still comes across as a idealogical diatribe on > ?what you must do? and ?you should do it this way? rather than a > method of how open government may collaborate with open communities. > > As I mentioned in previous emails, OSIA and myself will wait until the > Melbourne discussion group meets on the 20 March 2018 before either of > us, OSIA and myself, commit to any proposal to the government. > > Also, this discussion are my own opinions and may not reflect the > opinions of OSIA. > > Mark Phillips > > > 1 <#sdfootnote1anc>15^th March 16:36 > > 2 > <#sdfootnote2anc>https://www.opengovpartnership.org/open-government-declaration, > > 3 > <#sdfootnote3anc>https://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/file_attachments/bp-reward-work-not-wealth-220118-en.pdf > > 4 <#sdfootnote4anc>So while I?m aware of closed systems and data, ie > security and defence, that should not be part of open communities, I > do not feel this is a discussion for this forum. > -- Cameron Shorter Technology Demystifier, Learnosity Open Technologies Consultant M +61 (0) 419 142 254 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is being presented as part of Australia?s updated Open Government National Action Plan. ? more * And I'll be submitting to the Australian Digital Transformation Office tomorrow. -- Cameron Shorter Technology Demystifier, Learnosity Open Technologies Consultant M +61 (0) 419 142 254 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: