[Linux-aus] Candidacy Support Statement - President or Ordinary Council Member

David Lloyd lloy0076 at adam.com.au
Wed Dec 7 20:15:44 AEDT 2016

Hi Andrew,

I take your point - the truth is that $17K vs $23K isn't that much; the 
fact that the organisation has known it needs this fixed and has not is 

At some stage some council acting on behalf of LA, if the needs are real, 
most likely should spend some money; I'm not sure why they haven't [this 
is the nicest version of what I'm saying. Sort of.]


> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-aus [mailto:linux-aus-bounces at lists.linux.org.au] On Behalf
> Of Andrew Bartlett
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 3:53 AM
> To: David Lloyd <lloy0076 at adam.com.au>; 'Kathy Reid'
> <kathy at kathyreid.id.au>; 'Hugh Blemings' <hugh at blemings.org>;
> 'Anthony Towns' <aj at erisian.com.au>; 'null' <linux-
> aus at lists.linux.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Candidacy Support Statement - President or
> Ordinary Council Member
> On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 02:33 -0500, David Lloyd wrote:
> >
> > You've limped along without a $23K CRM until now; I really can't see
> > how CiviCRM or SugarCRM (which is actually less hassle to setup than
> > CiviCRM and has a backer less likely to disappear) costs $23K.
> >
> > Let me make a counter proposal: employ someone whose cost and
> expense
> > is $17,000 to work with the currenct systems. You've just saved
> > $6,000.
> G'Day David,
> Can you flesh this out a bit more?  I understand from the tread that the
> MemberDB author (Stewart Smith if I recall) suggested that moving to
> CiviCRM.
> As someone working professionally in open source software
> development for hire, my general experience is that $17,000 at
> consultant/contractor rates doesn't buy much in terms of a major
> software overhaul, which seems to be what is requested.  It certainly
> seems from the things Kathy described as limitations that we are beyond
> minor just works.
> My main thought on your proposal is that Linux Australia would end up
> with the execution risk (is the money spent well, regression, etc) and
> keep the maintenance burden of a bespoke system, rather than having a
> vendor with an SLA and a quoted migration price.  That could easily eat
> up any 'savings'.
> Given LA is an organisation turning over 1millon per year, paying for a
> few things in the services area, particularly if it avoids paying staff 
> to
> push paper around and do things manually, seems very good value.
> Thanks,
> Andrew Bartlett
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