[Linux-aus] Acknowledgement of country
lloy0076 at adam.com.au
Thu Nov 5 20:44:44 AEDT 2015
As an off-topic note, Outlook has managed to format this message such that I
can reply inline - I should file a "progression bug" against it :)
> -----Original Message-----
> > Do you mean:
> > 1. Acknowledgement of a country's indigenous people?
> Of course I meant that. It is the one that fills all the first page of
> responses for the topic.
It's what I'd assumed - but we both know assumptions can trip everyone up
all at once.
> > I believe there is a place for (1) in some circumstances. In my
> > limited experience, events run by progressive, left leaning
> > organisations, those affiliated with the ALP (1) or those closely
> > associated with relevant environmental protection tend to run with
> > these types of openings. Within a
> The Linux/FOSS community is generally left leaning.
I would tend to agree with that statement.
> > what could be argued one or more displaced peoples. However, having
> > only the opening, with no substance would have made little sense - an
> > empty gesture to say, "we acknowledge you but allowing you to welcome
> > us at our [insert event here]" is all we'll do. In that experience,
> > though, I did
> It's still much better than nothing, and there's still a lot of white
> want to give absolutely nothing to indiginous people.
Empty words are worse than nothing and worse they can lull otherwise
well-meaning people into thinking that something is actually happening when
they are not; perhaps that really was my point.
> LCA 2008 had an Acknowledgement of Country. Donna says that she wasn't
> the first LCA organiser to do this. I recall that there was no
controversy at all
> when Donna did it (regardless of whether she was first or not).
I would expect an LCA in South Australia would focus sharply on social
issues, remembering that our mistreatment of Australia's first people is not
the only injustice Australians entertain.
> > Is that culture sustained by an acknowledgement to country or welcome
> > to all?
> I don't think that we need white people to provide answers to such
> I think that decent white people will take note of the recommendations by
> organisations such as Murrup Barak. Aboriginals really don't need more
> white people telling them what's best for them.
Don't assume I'm a white person. Remember, I was talking only for myself...
> > In this case, a welcome to all to Australia could sound a little,
> > well, odd.
> Your argument that we should refrain from doing anything to address racism
> because Australia has too many racists is bizarre.
My argument, probably not well put, was that if you had meant something more
akin to a nationalistic welcome (to say refugees, recent new comers and
such) might sound a tad bizarre considering how we treat refugees
especially, but many newcomers suffer racism as well. The Indians seem to
get a lot of it at the moment, but one day when we meet (or catch up again -
we probably have met briefly in some conference somewhere), let me tell you
what it's been like growing up as a non-white looking person in Australia
over the past 40 or so years.
> One way of recognising when white people get wildly off track when talking
> about race is when they need to use made-up races. But if you really want
> explore that sort of thing then you could start by reading pages such as
> above where non-white people write about their D&D experiences.
I actually used the example of Saruman and Gandalf, not because of their
race, but because of the attributes Tolkien attributed to them.
Incidentally, I've played D&D, AD&D and onine text MUDs for most of my life;
I'm also not white :)
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