From dtbell91 at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 06:52:03 2015 From: dtbell91 at gmail.com (David Bell) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:52:03 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] linux.conf.au 2016 Geelong - Call for Papers now open! Message-ID: linux.conf.au 2016 Geelong - LCA By the Bay are delighted to announce #CfP is now open We're delighted to announce that the Call for Presentations for the conference, to be held *1st-5th February at Deakin University's Waterfront Campus*, are now open. *CfP will remain open until 6th July.* Given the recent advances in wearable technology, embedded platforms, and fruitful marriages between open design and technology, open source software and hardware is delivering a number of tangible and intangible benefits for our daily lives. *Life is better with Linux.* And that?s exactly what our conference theme is. linux.conf.au 2016 will focus on how Linux and open source technologies are improving lives - through humanitarian projects, wearables that give us greater control and choice over our health and habits, and which enrich our lives through protecting our privacy and our ?digital health?. What types of presentations are being sought? - *Presentations* - the standard, time-tested format for most linux.conf.au. A sage on the stage presents interesting and hopefully informative and engaging content, with time for questions. Around 45 mins total. - *Tutorials* - double slots with a defined syllabus, where delegates walk out with a key skill or ability. Some prep work is usually required. - *Prototypes* - we?d like to do something different this year and introduce 45 minute sessions called ?Prototypes? - where Makers, Hackers, and Voiders are able to show and tell what they?ve made. It could be a hardware prototype, a software prototype, or a ?wetware? prototype - where technology is interacting with the biomedical field for things like implantable NFC chips. What presentation topics are welcomed? We?re still expecting to have our time-honoured classic talks - the state of the Linux Kernel, advancements in architecture, storage, file systems and utilities. But we?d also like to see lots of talks from people who use Linux and F/LOSS to make our lives better. To make better people. And a better humanity. How do we develop for wearables and implantables? How do you do unit tests for an implantable wetware device? What happens when we see the first IoT murder? And who owns our data from wearable devices - us, or our insurance companies? Linux is now embedded in a raft of wearable, tiny devices - which present challenges and opportunities to be met and maximised. These are the stories we would like to hear. What about Miniconfs? Miniconference proposals are also now welcome. *Miniconf #CfP will close on 6th July*. How do I submit to the #CfP? 1. Go to http://linux.conf.au 2. Create an account 3. Confirm your email address 4. On the conference website, log in and choose 'Submit a Proposal' from the left hand menu 5. Fill out the required information - remember, the more info you provide, the better informed Papers Committee will be. How do I stay in touch? Potential Delegates and Speakers are encouraged to remain up to date with conference news through the following channels; *Website:* https://linux.conf.au *Twitter:* @linuxconfau, hashtag #lca2016 *Facebook:* https://www.facebook.com/lcabythebay *Google+:* https://www.google.com/+LcabythebayOrgAu *Lanyrd:* http://lanyrd.com/2016/linuxconfau/ *IRC:* #linux.conf.au on freenode.net *Email:* info at lcabythebay.org.au *Announce mailing list:* http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/lca-announce We warmly encourage you to forward this announcement to technical communities you may be involved in. Kind regards, David -- David Bell Conference Director linux.conf.au 2016 @linuxconfau contact at lcabythebay.org.au http://lcabythebay.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisjrn at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 08:32:23 2015 From: chrisjrn at gmail.com (Christopher Neugebauer) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:32:23 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Financial assistance for PyCon Australia 2015 now available! Message-ID: PyCon Australia 2015's financial assistance programme has opened! Financial assistance is the cornerstone of the conference's outreach programme -- the programme helps us to fund registration, travel, and accommodation expenses for deserving applicants. In doing so, we're helping to put PyCon Australia within reach of everyone who wants to attend. If you'd enjoy PyCon Australia, or the Australian Python community would benefit from you coming to the conference, we'd love you to come along. You can find out more about the specifics of the programme on our site at http://2015.pycon-au.org/grants PyCon Australia strongly encourages people to apply for financial assistance -- even if we can?t cover all of your expenses, we will give you free admission based on need. The application process is simple, and straight?for?ward. It?s also very liberal -- the only caveat is that speakers at the conference "get bumped to the top" of the applications so that we don?t lose a good talk because of financial need. We also don?t ban anyone from applying. Anyone interested in attending PyCon Australia is eligible to apply for financial assistance. Grants are allocated on the basis of need, and applications will be assessed by our financial assistance panel. In short, anyone whose attendance at PyCon Australia will help improve the Python community in Australia, or around the world, is invited to apply. To apply for financial assistance, fill out our application form, which you can find at http://2015.pycon-au.org/grants. The first round of applications will be considered after Friday 12 June 2015; the second round of applications will be considered after Friday 26 June, 2015. -- --Christopher Neugebauer Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net -- WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn From clonemeagain at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 09:11:45 2015 From: clonemeagain at gmail.com (A) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 09:11:45 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Financial assistance for PyCon Australia 2015 now available! Message-ID: Accidentally over-moderated.. or something. If you get a duplicate of this, apologies. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christopher Neugebauer To: pycon-au-announce at lists.linux.org.au, python-au at python.net, Melbourne Python Users Group , sydneypython at googlegroups.com, brispy , New Zealand Python User Group < nzpug at googlegroups.com>, Linux Australia , canberra-pug at python.org, "Brisbane-Python-User-Group-announce at meetup.com" < Brisbane-Python-User-Group-announce at meetup.com>, webdesign-429 at meetup.com Cc: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:32:23 +1000 Subject: ?Financial assistance for PyCon Australia 2015 now available!? PyCon Australia 2015's financial assistance programme has opened! Financial assistance is the cornerstone of the conference's outreach programme -- the programme helps us to fund registration, travel, and accommodation expenses for deserving applicants. In doing so, we're helping to put PyCon Australia within reach of everyone who wants to attend. If you'd enjoy PyCon Australia, or the Australian Python community would benefit from you coming to the conference, we'd love you to come along. You can find out more about the specifics of the programme on our site at http://2015.pycon-au.org/grants PyCon Australia strongly encourages people to apply for financial assistance -- even if we can?t cover all of your expenses, we will give you free admission based on need. The application process is simple, and straight?for?ward. It?s also very liberal -- the only caveat is that speakers at the conference "get bumped to the top" of the applications so that we don?t lose a good talk because of financial need. We also don?t ban anyone from applying. Anyone interested in attending PyCon Australia is eligible to apply for financial assistance. Grants are allocated on the basis of need, and applications will be assessed by our financial assistance panel. In short, anyone whose attendance at PyCon Australia will help improve the Python community in Australia, or around the world, is invited to apply. To apply for financial assistance, fill out our application form, which you can find at http://2015.pycon-au.org/grants. The first round of applications will be considered after Friday 12 June 2015; the second round of applications will be considered after Friday 26 June, 2015. -- --Christopher Neugebauer Jabber: chrisjrn at gmail.com -- IRC: chrisjrn on irc.freenode.net -- WWW: http://chrisjrn.com -- Twitter: @chrisjrn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithrbaugroups at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:33:53 2015 From: keithrbaugroups at gmail.com (Keith Bainbridge) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:33:53 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] I plan to help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good afternoon I am planning to help with the Conference, when I return from travels later in Spring. I am retired. I live in Geelong, Belmont to be precise. I am a linux user of several years. Whilst my tech knowledge is limited, I am keen, and can generally learn quickly and am handy. If there is something I can whilst on the road, and often with limited internet, please let me know. Keith Bainbridge 0447667468 keithrbaugroups at gmail.com >From my Apad Keith Bainbridge 0447667468 keithrbaugroups at gmail.com >From my Apad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloy0076 at adam.com.au Tue Jun 9 16:32:40 2015 From: lloy0076 at adam.com.au (David Lloyd) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 16:02:40 +0930 Subject: [Linux-aus] LinuxSA Meeting - Next Tuesday - 16 June 2015 - Air-Stream Message-ID: <7AAAF690-618E-4736-81DA-CE2BC0327FBA@adam.com.au> Hi There, Troy Vodopivec from Air-Stream with a small number of Air Stream volunteers will be giving a presentation this month on what they've been up to over the past number of years. Started in 2001, Air Stream has built a wireless WAN in Adelaide and is one of the most successful Australian groups to have done so. When Tuesday the 16th of June, 7:15PM - Finish Where Marcellina Pizza Restaurant, 273 Hindley Street, Adelaide (link ) Who Anyone and everyone -- no pre-registration necessary Cost Free. Prior to the meeting we'll meet over dinner and drinks from about 6:00PM onwards. Bring around $15 and a few extra for drinks. The venue is licensed, vegetarian and gluten free friendly. Google Calendar Link (HTML) Google Calendar Link (iCal) Also, don't forget the call for papers for LCA 2016 in Geelong has gone out. Thanks and look forward to seeing you all there! DSL +61 429 990 876 PS. July?s meeting is shaping up to be somewhat special - in fact, Christmas in July... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell at coker.com.au Wed Jun 10 10:45:43 2015 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:45:43 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] TED conference connect app In-Reply-To: <201505232339.03367.russell@coker.com.au> References: <201505232339.03367.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: <201506101045.43878.russell@coker.com.au> On Sat, 23 May 2015 11:39:03 PM Russell Coker wrote: > http://blog.ted.com/the-story-of-tedconnect-a-conference-app-for-real-life- > interaction/ > > It would be nice if we had something like this for LCA. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.whova.event https://whova.com/faq/who-pay-for-whova-how-much-it-cost/ I've just found a commercial system that does similar things, above are the links for the Android App and the FAQ on payment (price on application). Note that I'm not recommending that LCA use Whova. I'm just suggesting that people check it out as there's obviously interest in this. Anyone who wants to write a FOSS alternative will want to try out an existing system. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From clinton.roy at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:56:11 2015 From: clinton.roy at gmail.com (Clinton Roy) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:56:11 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] PyCon Australia 2015 Early Bird Registrations are Open! Message-ID: We are delighted to announce that online registration is now open for PyCon Australia 2015. The sixth PyCon Australia is being held in Brisbane, Queensland from July 31st ? 4th August at the Pullman Brisbane and is expected to draw hundreds of Python developers, enthusiasts and students from Australasia and afar. Starting today, early bird offers are up for grabs. To take advantage of these discounted ticket rates, be among the first 100 to register. Early bird registration starts from $50 for full-time students, $180 for enthusiasts and $460 for professionals. Offers this good won?t last long, so head straight to http://2015.pycon-au.org and register right away. PyCon Australia has endeavoured to keep tickets as affordable as possible. We are able to do so, thanks to our Sponsors and Contributors. We have also worked out favourable deals with accommodation providers for PyCon delegates. Find out more about the options at http://2015.pycon-au.org/register/accommodation To begin the registration process, and find out more about each level of ticket, visit http://2015.pycon-au.org/register/prices Important Dates to Help You Plan - June 8: Early Bird Registration Opens -- open to the first 100 tickets - June 29: Financial Assistance program closes. - July 8: Last day to Order PyCon Australia 2015 T-shirts - July 19: Last day to Advise Special Dietary Requirements - July 31 : PyCon Australia 2015 Begins About PyCon Australia PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python Programming Community. The sixth PyCon Australia will be held on July 31 through August 4th, 2015 in Brisbane, bringing together professional, student and enthusiast developers with a love for developing with Python. PyCon Australia informs the country?s Python developers with presentations, tutorials and panel sessions by experts and core developers of Python, as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on. To find out more about PyCon Australia 2015, visit our website at http://pycon-au.org or e-mail us at contact at pycon-au.org. Sponsors PyCon Australia is presented by Linux Australia (www.linux.org.au) and acknowledges the support of our Platinum Sponsors, Red Hat Asia-Pacific, and Netbox Blue; and our Gold sponsors, The Australian Signals Directorate and Google Australia. For full details of our sponsors, see our website. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Sat Jun 13 09:26:14 2015 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:26:14 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Is joind.in what we're looking for re: Speaker feedback? Message-ID: <557B6A96.6040208@kathyreid.id.au> https://joind.in/about Not sure how this would tie in with ZK though, or if we do some form of manual integration for Year #1? Thoughts? Best, K. From lloy0076 at adam.com.au Sat Jun 13 13:10:14 2015 From: lloy0076 at adam.com.au (David Lloyd) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:40:14 +0930 Subject: [Linux-aus] LinuxSA - This Tuesday (16 June) - Air Stream is Presenting Message-ID: <5C4859A8-3AA1-4A4D-A885-653F8695E8E2@adam.com.au> Hi There, Troy Vodopivec from Air-Stream with a small number of Air Stream volunteers will be giving a presentation this month on what they've been up to over the past number of years. Started in 2001, Air Stream has built a wireless WAN in Adelaide and is one of the most successful Australian groups to have done so. When Tuesday the 16th of June, 7:15PM - Finish Where Marcellina Pizza Restaurant, 273 Hindley Street, Adelaide (link ) Who Anyone and everyone -- no pre-registration necessary Cost Free. Prior to the meeting we'll meet over dinner and drinks from about 6:00PM onwards. Bring around $15 and a few extra for drinks. The venue is licensed, vegetarian and gluten free friendly. Google Calendar Link (HTML) Google Calendar Link (iCal) Also, don't forget the call for papers for LCA 2016 in Geelong has gone out. Thanks and look forward to seeing you all there! DSL +61 429 990 876 PS. July?s meeting is shaping up to be somewhat special - in fact, Christmas in July... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josh at nitrotech.org Sat Jun 13 14:03:16 2015 From: josh at nitrotech.org (Joshua Hesketh) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:03:16 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] [LACTTE] DCJTech - Creating Jobs and Articles In-Reply-To: <5574AFCF.1020001@Gmail.com> References: <55301FC4.3070700@Gmail.com> <5566994D.8060809@nitrotech.org> <556C45A8.502@nitrotech.org> <5574AFCF.1020001@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <557BAB84.4060608@nitrotech.org> Hello Devyn, Your enthusiasm is really great and we really appreciate you wanting to get involved in the Linux Australia community. I think one of the large hesitations the council has with the proposal is that the returned benefit isn't unique. There are plenty of websites buying for the news space and it's not obvious how this one would be set apart to make it successful or attractive to readers or a good use of our funds. This (linux-aus at linux.org.au) is a discussion list for our members. One of the reason we ask for grant requests to be posted to this list is to get the insight and support from the wider community. I would like to see some more discussion and feedback from our members as to what they would like to see happen. If it is something our community is interested in, it would be great to see some more thoughts and brainstorming around how it would look if it were to proceed. Cheers, Josh On 08/06/15 06:55, Devyn Collier Johnson wrote: > Aloha! > > Thank you Joshua Hesketh for your detailed response. The reason I > chose $25USD is because I did not think the Linux Australia Community > would be fine granting me a larger sum. Plus, I personally know two > people that write articles for an organization for $25USD per article > (hence my price idea). If the Linux Australia Community is fine with > granting me a larger sum, then I will pay authors what ever the > community wishes. My original grant request can be modified as the > community sees fit. > > True, I am the primary author of my site, but not the only author. > That is another goal I hope this grant might fix. Since ads have not > worked well and donations are scarce, a grant would help pay authors. > Thus, with more authors and more content, I hope to attract more visitors. > > Alternately, what about a major modification to the plan? The Linux > Australia Community can find Australian computer technology students > (like in universities/colleges) and pay the student directly. This new > plan has the following advantages: > > 1. specifically helps Australia (the students) > 2. community money is better protected from scams (money goes from > the community to the community-chosen authors) > 3. students gain money (college students need this), experience, and > details to add to a resume > 4. the whole world still benefits from the written articles > 5. the community can decide the pay-rate per article and choose > whether this project is temporary or long-term > > I am willing to modify the plan as needed to get your approval. > Specifically, my core desire is to help humanity and bootstrap/trigger > some collaboration between me website and the Linux community. Let me > know what you think of the modified plan or if someone has a better > idea or suggestion. > > By the way, I updated my website's appearance a little and > optimized the CSS3. > > Thanks, > Devyn Collier Johnson > DevynCJohnson at Gmail.com > > On 06/01/2015 07:44 AM, Joshua Hesketh wrote: >> Hello Devyn, >> >> The linux-aus list (to which this thread is on) is a great place to >> seek contributions and collaboration with the Linux Australia >> community. Feel free to start a new thread with what that might look >> like, otherwise hopefully keen onlookers will have noticed this >> already :-). >> >> Some of the reasons the grant request wasn't successful is that there >> are a number of news sites dedicated to open source and free software >> already. The content also isn't specific to Australia - while this >> isn't a blocker, it was a consideration when looking at how we fund >> projects in our local community. Additionally there is a lot of great >> posts on your website and forums, the overwhelming majority[0] were >> from only one contributor (yourself). I understand there is a >> bootstrapping issue that funding could help with, however the website >> isn't an overly active community and the council was unable to see >> what funding your request would do to create a unqiue website or >> source of information outside of other online communities that >> already exist. Lastly the council did not feel $25 per article was on >> par with industry expectations for authors/journalists[1] and we were >> unsure how you would attract contributors at this rate. >> >> It was an accumulation of factors that the council used in their >> decision making. The decision should not by any means be taken as a >> form of discouragement. Your website and articles are an excellent >> way of contributing to the open source community and we'd like to >> encourage you to continue. We hope that your website will find a >> niche and develop its own community over time. >> >> Again feel free to contact the council on or off list if you have any >> further questions. >> >> Kind regards, >> Josh >> >> [0] Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is from a simple browsing of >> dcjtech.info >> [1] Again, please correct me if I'm wrong >> >> On 29/05/15 05:01, Devyn Johnson wrote: >>> Aloha! >>> >>> The website (DCJTech.info) benefits Linux users of all nations by >>> providing forums, articles, etc. The website is non-profit and >>> wishes to hire authors. The Linux Australian Community can benefit >>> by selecting a few authors of its choosing in addition to the >>> authors I have found. Why do you feel that the grant request "is >>> outside the values of Linux Australia and its membership"? What are >>> your concerns? I can modify the request and ease concerns if you >>> wish. If Chris would like, I can fix any flaws that he has found. >>> Let him know that he is welcome to contact me directly. I can also >>> list the "Linux Australian Community" as part of the DCJTech crew >>> (http://dcjtech.info/about-the-crew/). With the DCJTech forums, >>> articles, quizzes, cheatsheets, and all of the other content, we >>> have many ways of collaborating and benefiting the Linux community. >>> Even if my grant request is still rejected, can we all at least >>> still collaborate and work together? Any one at the Linux Australian >>> Community is welcome to be members of the DCJTech crew. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Devyn Collier Johnson >>> DevynCJohnson at Gmail.com >>> >>> On 05/28/2015 12:27 AM, Joshua Hesketh wrote: >>>> Hello Devyn, >>>> >>>> Thank you for reaching out to our community. The council has >>>> discussed your grant request and moved the following motion: >>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> Grant request from DEVYN COLLIER JOHNSON >>>>> >>>>> o >>>>> >>>>> DCJTech - Creating Jobs and Articles >>>>> >>>>> o >>>>> >>>>> CHRIS moves motion to reject this grant request for the >>>>> reason that this is outside the values of Linux Australia >>>>> and its membership >>>>> >>>>> o >>>>> >>>>> Seconded by JOSH S >>>>> >>>>> o Passes with 2 abstentions >>>>> >>>> >>>> Unfortunately the council has decided not to fund your grant >>>> request as the benefit to the Linux Australia community was not >>>> clear. If you would like to know more feel free to reach out to us >>>> either on or off list. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17/04/15 06:47, Devyn Collier Johnson wrote: >>>>> Date: April 16, 2015 >>>>> >>>>> Project Name: DCJTech - Creating Jobs and Articles >>>>> >>>>> Aim of Project: DCJTech (http://dcjtech.info/) wants to create >>>>> jobs by hiring authors to write informative/technical articles >>>>> about Linux, GNU, FreeBSD, and other open-source-related topics. >>>>> I currently have an author that can be hired immediately and two >>>>> others that are considering the offer. Once the Linux Australia >>>>> Council approves the project, I will seek more authors (I want >>>>> four or five total). The amount paid to an author will depend on >>>>> the content they submit ($25USD for a 700-1000 word article). >>>>> Information about DCJTech can be found at >>>>> http://dcjtech.info/about/ . DCJTech does not receive enough money >>>>> from ads or donations to hire authors. Your contribution will >>>>> enable me to hire authors and increase DCJTech's content. I have >>>>> no problem showing proof of transactions. I can send you >>>>> screenshots of relevant PayPal transactions and give you links to >>>>> new content. Also, I have no problem hiring members of the Linux >>>>> Australia Council to be authors. Feel free to email me asking for >>>>> more details or clarification. >>>>> >>>>> Person Responsible for Request: Devyn Collier Johnson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Request: $500 (amount may be modified as the Linux Australia >>>>> Council see fit) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> committee mailing list >>>>> committee at lists.linux.org.au >>>>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The line between paid work and volunteer work in an open source community is always blurred, but in this case it is clear - the intent is to engage someone in paid work. The legal side here is murky, given that the site is registered in the US. * My take on this is that we are paying a site to create content, which that site is benefitting from. Why not spend this money paying LA members to create content for the LA site? Strongly recommend this grant be respectfully declined. With kind regards, Kathy Reid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Sat Jun 13 14:52:39 2015 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:52:39 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? Message-ID: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a Membership Subcommittee for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This was a great move forward - MemberDB is end of life. Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form this Subcommittee. Kind regards, Kathy [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html From pierre.php at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 15:30:59 2015 From: pierre.php at gmail.com (Pierre Joye) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:30:59 +0700 Subject: [Linux-aus] Is joind.in what we're looking for re: Speaker feedback? In-Reply-To: <557B6A96.6040208@kathyreid.id.au> References: <557B6A96.6040208@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: Hi, My 2 cents, joind.in has been used by many conferences, if not almost all conferences I spoke at lately. Awesome tool and great way to get feedback. Authors are also very proud active. On Jun 13, 2015 7:01 AM, "Kathy Reid" wrote: > https://joind.in/about > > Not sure how this would tie in with ZK though, or if we do some form of > manual integration for Year #1? > > Thoughts? > > Best, K. > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From president at linux.org.au Sat Jun 13 16:49:44 2015 From: president at linux.org.au (Joshua Hesketh) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:49:44 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Backlog of minutes published Message-ID: <557BD288.5000203@linux.org.au> Hello Linux Australia community, Sadly we fell behind on publishing minutes from council meetings (we've been busy though, I promise! - which is part of the reason for the delay). Typically we publish them onto our website and this mailing list. We have just finished catching up with our backlog of minutes so rather than spamming this list with separate emails I'll link to them here. http://linux.org.au/meeting/2014-12-17 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-01-07 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-01-28 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-02-11 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-02-25 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-03-11 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-03-23 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-04-08 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-04-22 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-05-06 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-05-20 http://linux.org.au/meeting/2015-06-03 Very sorry for the delay in getting these out. We'll endeavour to publish the minutes from meetings more promptly for the rest of the term. If you have any questions in regards to any of the items please do not hesitate to ask the council or myself either on or off list. 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To be completely honest, I feel like I mis-estimated how much spare time I'd have this year, and I don't think I have the bandwidth to provide a meaningful contribution to this effort. So, a subcommittee is a good idea, but I feel we might need to go and work out who would be able to serve on it first. Michael On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Kathy Reid wrote: > There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a Membership Subcommittee > for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This was a great move > forward - MemberDB is end of life. > Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? > > If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form this Subcommittee. > > Kind regards, > Kathy > > > [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus -- Rackspace Australia From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Sun Jun 14 08:27:44 2015 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:27:44 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> Fair call. IMHO, patching MemberDB is not where LA should be focussing effort - I strongly believe LA needs a full CRM like CiviCRM [1]. All good organisations need different thinking to catalyse direction ;-) So, I think we probably need a strategic call from LA here - patch MemberDB or go for something like CiviCRM? My recommendation is that LA is now large enough, and has big enough communications needs that it makes sense to go for something like CiviCRM. We don't homebrew the website anymore - we use an established platform. It no longer makes sense to homebrew the membership platform. CiviCRM also sits on top of Drupal, meaning that platform change at the website level wouldn't be needed. But Mikal is right, this would need to be scoped - and it's a big piece of work - but one in the long run I think is very valuable. My availability is pretty shot until Feb 9th 2016. [1] https://civicrm.org/ On 14/06/15 07:49, Michael Still wrote: > So, my understanding was that we offered in the AGM to update memberdb > to not be quite so bad. That got turned into a replacement CRM > project, which meant several of the people involved no longer felt > they had the skills to actually progress the effort. We have therefore > stalled. > > To be completely honest, I feel like I mis-estimated how much spare > time I'd have this year, and I don't think I have the bandwidth to > provide a meaningful contribution to this effort. So, a subcommittee > is a good idea, but I feel we might need to go and work out who would > be able to serve on it first. > > Michael > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Kathy Reid wrote: >> There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a Membership Subcommittee >> for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This was a great move >> forward - MemberDB is end of life. >> Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? >> >> If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form this Subcommittee. >> >> Kind regards, >> Kathy >> >> >> [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-aus mailing list >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Sun Jun 14 10:54:14 2015 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:54:14 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] GovHack registrations are now open in AU and NZ Message-ID: <557CD0B6.7010202@kathyreid.id.au> International open data hackathon - may be of interest to this list; http://www.govhack.org/register-2015/ Best, K. From neill at ingenious.com.au Sun Jun 14 11:47:59 2015 From: neill at ingenious.com.au (Neill Cox) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:47:59 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: I was one of the people who volunteered to work on updating memberdb, but I have not really done much beyond some initial investigation. I am willing to do some work on memberdb, but I have very little in the way of PHP or Drupal skills. My initial plan was to provide a REST API to the existing database, with a back end written in python, probably building on top of flask[1]. If that work would be useful to the council, I'd be happy to contribute. If CiviCRM is the direction the the council decided to go I don't think I will be able to contribute much to the effort. I too had been a bit optimistic about just how much spare time I would actually have, so I have to apologise for not progressing this faster. Whatever LA decides I'm happy to offer whatever help I can, but to be honest if it's Drupal/CiviCRM that's largely going to consist of best wishes :) Cheers, Neill [1] http://flask.pocoo.org/ On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Kathy Reid wrote: > Fair call. > > IMHO, patching MemberDB is not where LA should be focussing effort - I > strongly believe LA needs a full CRM like CiviCRM [1]. > All good organisations need different thinking to catalyse direction ;-) > > So, I think we probably need a strategic call from LA here - patch > MemberDB or go for something like CiviCRM? > > My recommendation is that LA is now large enough, and has big enough > communications needs that it makes sense to go for something like CiviCRM. > We don't homebrew the website anymore - we use an established platform. It > no longer makes sense to homebrew the membership platform. CiviCRM also > sits on top of Drupal, meaning that platform change at the website level > wouldn't be needed. But Mikal is right, this would need to be scoped - and > it's a big piece of work - but one in the long run I think is very valuable. > > My availability is pretty shot until Feb 9th 2016. > > [1] https://civicrm.org/ > > > On 14/06/15 07:49, Michael Still wrote: > >> So, my understanding was that we offered in the AGM to update memberdb >> to not be quite so bad. That got turned into a replacement CRM >> project, which meant several of the people involved no longer felt >> they had the skills to actually progress the effort. We have therefore >> stalled. >> >> To be completely honest, I feel like I mis-estimated how much spare >> time I'd have this year, and I don't think I have the bandwidth to >> provide a meaningful contribution to this effort. So, a subcommittee >> is a good idea, but I feel we might need to go and work out who would >> be able to serve on it first. >> >> Michael >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Kathy Reid >> wrote: >> >>> There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a Membership >>> Subcommittee >>> for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This was a great move >>> forward - MemberDB is end of life. >>> Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? >>> >>> If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form this >>> Subcommittee. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Kathy >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-aus mailing list >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > -- Neill Cox Ingenious Software -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lloy0076 at adam.com.au Sun Jun 14 12:39:15 2015 From: lloy0076 at adam.com.au (David Lloyd) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:09:15 +0930 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: Hi Kathy, > On 14 Jun 2015, at 7:57 am, Kathy Reid wrote: > > My recommendation is that LA is now large enough, and has big enough communications needs that it makes sense to go for something like CiviCRM. We don't homebrew the website anymore - we use an established platform. It no longer makes sense to homebrew the membership platform. CiviCRM also sits on top of Drupal, meaning that platform change at the website level wouldn't be needed. But Mikal is right, this would need to be scoped - and it's a big piece of work - but one in the long run I think is very valuable. +1 I?m not that familiar with Drupal at all (apart from being able to install it and use its administrative interface) but I know it?s a good platform in and of itself. It sounds like it?s a medium to large project and one of those meta-projects that needs to be done but could conflict with the actual aims of the organisation in the short term (however, done well, it would probably have a medium-to-long term benefit). Where are all those management consultants shipped out from outer space gone? Ok, I?ve been re-reading the Hitch Hiker?s ?trilogy? of late :P DSL From russell at coker.com.au Mon Jun 15 10:24:53 2015 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:24:53 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] [LACTTE] DCJTech - Creating Jobs and Articles In-Reply-To: <557BAF51.2060402@kathyreid.id.au> References: <557BAF51.2060402@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: <201506151024.53814.russell@coker.com.au> On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 02:19:29 PM Kathy Reid wrote: > Thanks Josh and Council for bringing this to the community. > > I support Council in this decision due to a number of reasons; > > * The grant does not state whether the content would be released on a > Creative Commons or other open license. If LA is funding the > creation of content, I would like to see it opened, like we do with > our own site. > * The assumption that $USD25 is sufficient for a 700 to 1000 word > article violates Australian labour laws and places LA in a > precarious legal position. If someone can write such an article in > under two hours, great, but if it takes longer than this then we are > paying less than minimum wage. The line between paid work and > volunteer work in an open source community is always blurred, but in > this case it is clear - the intent is to engage someone in paid > work. The legal side here is murky, given that the site is > registered in the US. > * My take on this is that we are paying a site to create content, > which that site is benefitting from. Why not spend this money paying > LA members to create content for the LA site? > > Strongly recommend this grant be respectfully declined. I agree. I think that it might be worth considering other ways in which LA could encourage users to create content. One possibility might be to have a contest for writing Linux blog posts, a $25 prize for an an article that someone had already published on their own blog would be a reasonable reward (I'd enter such a contest). -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From mikal at stillhq.com Mon Jun 15 10:37:14 2015 From: mikal at stillhq.com (Michael Still) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:37:14 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: I think moving to a CRM system is sensible, but at that point I'll bow out. I know nothing about such systems, so I just don't feel useful in that space. Michael On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Kathy Reid wrote: > Fair call. > > IMHO, patching MemberDB is not where LA should be focussing effort - I > strongly believe LA needs a full CRM like CiviCRM [1]. > All good organisations need different thinking to catalyse direction ;-) > > So, I think we probably need a strategic call from LA here - patch MemberDB > or go for something like CiviCRM? > > My recommendation is that LA is now large enough, and has big enough > communications needs that it makes sense to go for something like CiviCRM. > We don't homebrew the website anymore - we use an established platform. It > no longer makes sense to homebrew the membership platform. CiviCRM also sits > on top of Drupal, meaning that platform change at the website level wouldn't > be needed. But Mikal is right, this would need to be scoped - and it's a big > piece of work - but one in the long run I think is very valuable. > > My availability is pretty shot until Feb 9th 2016. > > [1] https://civicrm.org/ > > > On 14/06/15 07:49, Michael Still wrote: >> >> So, my understanding was that we offered in the AGM to update memberdb >> to not be quite so bad. That got turned into a replacement CRM >> project, which meant several of the people involved no longer felt >> they had the skills to actually progress the effort. We have therefore >> stalled. >> >> To be completely honest, I feel like I mis-estimated how much spare >> time I'd have this year, and I don't think I have the bandwidth to >> provide a meaningful contribution to this effort. So, a subcommittee >> is a good idea, but I feel we might need to go and work out who would >> be able to serve on it first. >> >> Michael >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Kathy Reid wrote: >>> >>> There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a Membership >>> Subcommittee >>> for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This was a great move >>> forward - MemberDB is end of life. >>> Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? >>> >>> If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form this >>> Subcommittee. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Kathy >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> linux-aus mailing list >>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> >> >> > -- Rackspace Australia From josh at nitrotech.org Mon Jun 15 13:29:08 2015 From: josh at nitrotech.org (Joshua Hesketh) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:29:08 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> Message-ID: <557E4684.5060802@nitrotech.org> Hey, So I think there are a lot of benefits to a fully fledged CRM. However, memberdb is in desperate need of an update. If we have nobody volunteering to implement a CRM type system for Linux Australia, and we do indeed still have volunteers looking at improving our membership management platform, then I think we should take them up on that kind offer as it'll be a great improvement. An update to memberdb will also better allow us to email our members rather than relying on a mailing list. That in of itself is a giant improvement. Cheers, Josh On 14/06/15 11:47, Neill Cox wrote: > I was one of the people who volunteered to work on updating memberdb, > but I have not really done much beyond some initial investigation. > > I am willing to do some work on memberdb, but I have very little in > the way of PHP or Drupal skills. > > My initial plan was to provide a REST API to the existing database, > with a back end written in python, probably building on top of flask[1]. > > If that work would be useful to the council, I'd be happy to > contribute. If CiviCRM is the direction the the council decided to go > I don't think I will be able to contribute much to the effort. > > I too had been a bit optimistic about just how much spare time I would > actually have, so I have to apologise for not progressing this faster. > > Whatever LA decides I'm happy to offer whatever help I can, but to be > honest if it's Drupal/CiviCRM that's largely going to consist of best > wishes :) > > Cheers, > Neill > > [1] http://flask.pocoo.org/ > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Kathy Reid > wrote: > > Fair call. > > IMHO, patching MemberDB is not where LA should be focussing effort > - I strongly believe LA needs a full CRM like CiviCRM [1]. > All good organisations need different thinking to catalyse > direction ;-) > > So, I think we probably need a strategic call from LA here - patch > MemberDB or go for something like CiviCRM? > > My recommendation is that LA is now large enough, and has big > enough communications needs that it makes sense to go for > something like CiviCRM. We don't homebrew the website anymore - we > use an established platform. It no longer makes sense to homebrew > the membership platform. CiviCRM also sits on top of Drupal, > meaning that platform change at the website level wouldn't be > needed. But Mikal is right, this would need to be scoped - and > it's a big piece of work - but one in the long run I think is very > valuable. > > My availability is pretty shot until Feb 9th 2016. > > [1] https://civicrm.org/ > > > On 14/06/15 07:49, Michael Still wrote: > > So, my understanding was that we offered in the AGM to update > memberdb > to not be quite so bad. That got turned into a replacement CRM > project, which meant several of the people involved no longer felt > they had the skills to actually progress the effort. We have > therefore > stalled. > > To be completely honest, I feel like I mis-estimated how much > spare > time I'd have this year, and I don't think I have the bandwidth to > provide a meaningful contribution to this effort. So, a > subcommittee > is a good idea, but I feel we might need to go and work out > who would > be able to serve on it first. > > Michael > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Kathy Reid > > wrote: > > There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a > Membership Subcommittee > for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This > was a great move > forward - MemberDB is end of life. > Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? > > If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form > this Subcommittee. > > Kind regards, > Kathy > > > [1] > http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > > -- > Neill Cox > Ingenious Software > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we have nobody > volunteering to implement a CRM type system for Linux Australia, and we do > indeed still have volunteers looking at improving our membership management > platform, then I think we should take them up on that kind offer as it'll > be a great improvement. > > An update to memberdb will also better allow us to email our members > rather than relying on a mailing list. That in of itself is a giant > improvement. > > Cheers, > Josh > > > On 14/06/15 11:47, Neill Cox wrote: > > I was one of the people who volunteered to work on updating memberdb, but > I have not really done much beyond some initial investigation. > > I am willing to do some work on memberdb, but I have very little in the > way of PHP or Drupal skills. > > My initial plan was to provide a REST API to the existing database, with > a back end written in python, probably building on top of flask[1]. > > If that work would be useful to the council, I'd be happy to contribute. > If CiviCRM is the direction the the council decided to go I don't think I > will be able to contribute much to the effort. > > I too had been a bit optimistic about just how much spare time I would > actually have, so I have to apologise for not progressing this faster. > > Whatever LA decides I'm happy to offer whatever help I can, but to be > honest if it's Drupal/CiviCRM that's largely going to consist of best > wishes :) > > Cheers, > Neill > > [1] http://flask.pocoo.org/ > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Kathy Reid wrote: > >> Fair call. >> >> IMHO, patching MemberDB is not where LA should be focussing effort - I >> strongly believe LA needs a full CRM like CiviCRM [1]. >> All good organisations need different thinking to catalyse direction ;-) >> >> So, I think we probably need a strategic call from LA here - patch >> MemberDB or go for something like CiviCRM? >> >> My recommendation is that LA is now large enough, and has big enough >> communications needs that it makes sense to go for something like CiviCRM. >> We don't homebrew the website anymore - we use an established platform. It >> no longer makes sense to homebrew the membership platform. CiviCRM also >> sits on top of Drupal, meaning that platform change at the website level >> wouldn't be needed. But Mikal is right, this would need to be scoped - and >> it's a big piece of work - but one in the long run I think is very valuable. >> >> My availability is pretty shot until Feb 9th 2016. >> >> [1] https://civicrm.org/ >> >> >> On 14/06/15 07:49, Michael Still wrote: >> >>> So, my understanding was that we offered in the AGM to update memberdb >>> to not be quite so bad. That got turned into a replacement CRM >>> project, which meant several of the people involved no longer felt >>> they had the skills to actually progress the effort. We have therefore >>> stalled. >>> >>> To be completely honest, I feel like I mis-estimated how much spare >>> time I'd have this year, and I don't think I have the bandwidth to >>> provide a meaningful contribution to this effort. So, a subcommittee >>> is a good idea, but I feel we might need to go and work out who would >>> be able to serve on it first. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Kathy Reid >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There was some talk a few months ago [1] of having a Membership >>>> Subcommittee >>>> for LA, looking at replacing or enhancing MemberDB. This was a great >>>> move >>>> forward - MemberDB is end of life. >>>> Has this progressed at all and are folks ihere nterested? >>>> >>>> If so I will formally propose a motion to Council to form this >>>> Subcommittee. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Kathy >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2015-February/022032.html >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> linux-aus mailing list >>>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >>>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> linux-aus mailing list >> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus >> > > > > -- > Neill Cox > Ingenious Software > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing listlinux-aus at lists.linux.org.auhttp://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this correct? I'd be happy to spend a couple of weekends hacking together a voting module; it's basically the existing nominate/vote/count parts of memberdb Drupalised. Until something is written and rigorously tested we can manage membership in CiviCRM and then pull the database into a memberdb instance. There are hooks in CiviCRM so that process is not particularly strenuous to automate (provided we know enough about memberdb internals to update the database directly, which I think we self-evidently do). Someone pull me up if I'm drastically underestimating the scope of this, but otherwise I'm happy to put my hand to at least spin up a CiviCRM test so we can start poking at something. Regards Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it turns out to be more work than expected then you still learn useful things. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From djitnah at greenwareit.com.au Mon Jun 15 17:53:08 2015 From: djitnah at greenwareit.com.au (Daniel Jitnah) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:53:08 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> <557E4684.5060802@nitrotech.org> Message-ID: <557E8464.6050101@greenwareit.com.au> > > I'd be happy to spend a couple of weekends hacking together a voting > module; it's basically the existing nominate/vote/count parts of > memberdb Drupalised. You could use a survey software eg: LimeSurvey to do the polling. There is not that much difference. Its only how you interpret and use the results that differ. I am pretty sure that you could upload Member data (from any CRM or DB) to Limesurvey and have it email tokens so only 1 response/user is counted. > Cheers Daniel > Until something is written and rigorously tested we can manage > membership in CiviCRM and then pull the database into a memberdb > instance. There are hooks in CiviCRM so that process is not particularly > strenuous to automate (provided we know enough about memberdb internals > to update the database directly, which I think we self-evidently do). > > Someone pull me up if I'm drastically underestimating the scope of this, > but otherwise I'm happy to put my hand to at least spin up a CiviCRM > test so we can start poking at something. > > Regards > > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > From lloy0076 at adam.com.au Mon Jun 15 18:47:06 2015 From: lloy0076 at adam.com.au (David Lloyd) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:17:06 +0930 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> <557E4684.5060802@nitrotech.org> Message-ID: <08AE6A1A-1571-4F16-A92B-CE4D6E59AB2F@adam.com.au> Actually, Why do we need a COMMITTEE to do this? We?re sounding like the Trade Federation and Intergalactic Senate? :( > On 15 Jun 2015, at 2:52 pm, Michael Cordover wrote: > > On 15 June 2015 at 13:29, Joshua Hesketh > wrote: > However, memberdb is in desperate need of an update. If we have nobody volunteering to implement a CRM type system for Linux Australia, and we do indeed still have volunteers looking at improving our membership management platform, then I think we should take them up on that kind offer as it'll be a great improvement. > > You won't get any dissent from me on this. > > However, I think we may be overestimating the effort involved in a CRM implementation. My understanding is that CiviCRM meets all our membership management requirements, it just doesn't have a voting. Is this correct? > > I'd be happy to spend a couple of weekends hacking together a voting module; it's basically the existing nominate/vote/count parts of memberdb Drupalised. > > Until something is written and rigorously tested we can manage membership in CiviCRM and then pull the database into a memberdb instance. There are hooks in CiviCRM so that process is not particularly strenuous to automate (provided we know enough about memberdb internals to update the database directly, which I think we self-evidently do). > > Someone pull me up if I'm drastically underestimating the scope of this, but otherwise I'm happy to put my hand to at least spin up a CiviCRM test so we can start poking at something. > > Regards > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tleeuwenburg at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 19:33:57 2015 From: tleeuwenburg at gmail.com (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 19:33:57 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: <08AE6A1A-1571-4F16-A92B-CE4D6E59AB2F@adam.com.au> References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> <557E4684.5060802@nitrotech.org> <08AE6A1A-1571-4F16-A92B-CE4D6E59AB2F@adam.com.au> Message-ID: At this stage, it looks like we don't have anyone to do it at all... committee of one, anyone? :) I think committee is just the term for 'group of people who will get it done together' -- at least that how I am interpreting it. On 15 June 2015 at 18:47, David Lloyd wrote: > > Actually, > > Why do we need a COMMITTEE to do this? We?re sounding like the Trade > Federation and Intergalactic Senate? > > :( > > On 15 Jun 2015, at 2:52 pm, Michael Cordover wrote: > > On 15 June 2015 at 13:29, Joshua Hesketh wrote: > >> However, memberdb is in desperate need of an update. If we have nobody >> volunteering to implement a CRM type system for Linux Australia, and we do >> indeed still have volunteers looking at improving our membership management >> platform, then I think we should take them up on that kind offer as it'll >> be a great improvement. >> > > You won't get any dissent from me on this. > > However, I think we may be overestimating the effort involved in a CRM > implementation. My understanding is that CiviCRM meets all our membership > management requirements, it just doesn't have a voting. Is this correct? > > I'd be happy to spend a couple of weekends hacking together a voting > module; it's basically the existing nominate/vote/count parts of memberdb > Drupalised. > > Until something is written and rigorously tested we can manage membership > in CiviCRM and then pull the database into a memberdb instance. There are > hooks in CiviCRM so that process is not particularly strenuous to automate > (provided we know enough about memberdb internals to update the database > directly, which I think we self-evidently do). > > Someone pull me up if I'm drastically underestimating the scope of this, > but otherwise I'm happy to put my hand to at least spin up a CiviCRM test > so we can start poking at something. > > Regards > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > -- -------------------------------------------------- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ "Don't believe everything you think" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We especially welcome first-time speakers; we are a community conference and are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or colleagues who have something to contribute, please twist their arm (gently!) to talk about it! If you have the seed of an idea, head over to http://kiwi.pycon.org/ and create a user account. Fill in some details, and submit your talk. We're looking forward to hearing about it! Marek Kuziel, on behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clinton.roy at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 12:58:45 2015 From: clinton.roy at gmail.com (Clinton Roy) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 12:58:45 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] PyCon Australia Early Bird registrations are running out! Message-ID: PyCon Australia's Early Bird registrations are running out - there's fewer than 30 left of our 100 early bird tickets, so hurry! Find out more at http://2015.pycon-au.org/register/prices, including details of accommodation at our conference venue. Are you planning on coming to PyCon Australia 2015, the national conference for the Python programming community? If you've been putting off your registration, now is an excellent time to act: there's fewer than 30 Early Bird tickets left for the conference, and these WILL sell out before the end of the week. Early Bird registration rates are available from $180 for "Enthusiast"-level tickets, or $460 for our all-inclusive "Professional"-level tickets; each of these represents a saving of more than 10% on our regular prices. Professional tickets include access to our Miniconfs on Science & Data, OpenStack, Python in Education, or DjangoCon AU; admission to a Miniconf is available to Enthusiast ticket holders for $50. 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The council believes this project is still of interest to its members and will reach out to Renai on what might be helpful in an in kind, financial or other way. Therefore the grant request is no longer current and to be closed. o Seconded Sae Ra Germaine However, the council still believes this to be an important and interesting project to its members. As such we'll still be reaching out to Renai to see how we might be able to contribute. Although the grant request is closed, we will continue to follow this up as an item for LA. Cheers, Josh ********** * On 21/05/15 19:47, Kathy Reid wrote: > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/renai/the-frustrated-state > at the $200 level, with Renai then able to interview LA Council or > nominated representatives about technology issues > > Why is this a good idea? > > - It demonstrates alignment with LA's values of transparency and > openness, and aspirational desire to influence tech policy in Australia > - It gives LA a stronger voice in tech policy making > - We need this sort of research and policy analysis and to spur > technology policy debate in Australia > > Kind regards, > Kathy Reid > > > _______________________________________________ > committee mailing list > committee at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As such your grant request > has been closed by the council. > > * > > o > > MOTIONby Josh H given the timing the council has missed the > opportunity to be involved in the Kickstarter campaign. The > council believes this project is still of interest to its > members and will reach out to Renai on what might be helpful > in an in kind, financial or other way. Therefore the grant > request is no longer current and to be closed. > > o Seconded Sae Ra Germaine > > However, the council still believes this to be an important and > interesting project to its members. As such we'll still be reaching > out to Renai to see how we might be able to contribute. Although the > grant request is closed, we will continue to follow this up as an item > for LA. > > Cheers, > Josh > > * > > On 21/05/15 19:47, Kathy Reid wrote: >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/renai/the-frustrated-state >> at the $200 level, with Renai then able to interview LA Council or >> nominated representatives about technology issues >> >> Why is this a good idea? >> >> - It demonstrates alignment with LA's values of transparency and >> openness, and aspirational desire to influence tech policy in Australia >> - It gives LA a stronger voice in tech policy making >> - We need this sort of research and policy analysis and to spur >> technology policy debate in Australia >> >> Kind regards, >> Kathy Reid >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> committee mailing list >> committee at lists.linux.org.au >> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee > -- Kathy Reid @KathyReid on Twitter/Identi.ca/IRC etc XMPP: kathyreid at jabber.org.au 0418 130 636 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On top of that it also sounds like some kind of voting module would need to be built. In other words, I'm not sure how much work my top 3 priorities actually are. If you're still interested let me know what you think or if you need any help/resources (for example a dev/demo vm). Cheers, Josh On 15/06/15 15:22, Michael Cordover wrote: > On 15 June 2015 at 13:29, Joshua Hesketh > wrote: > > However, memberdb is in desperate need of an update. If we have > nobody volunteering to implement a CRM type system for Linux > Australia, and we do indeed still have volunteers looking at > improving our membership management platform, then I think we > should take them up on that kind offer as it'll be a great > improvement. > > > You won't get any dissent from me on this. > > However, I think we may be overestimating the effort involved in a CRM > implementation. My understanding is that CiviCRM meets all our > membership management requirements, it just doesn't have a voting. Is > this correct? > > I'd be happy to spend a couple of weekends hacking together a voting > module; it's basically the existing nominate/vote/count parts of > memberdb Drupalised. > > Until something is written and rigorously tested we can manage > membership in CiviCRM and then pull the database into a memberdb > instance. There are hooks in CiviCRM so that process is not > particularly strenuous to automate (provided we know enough about > memberdb internals to update the database directly, which I think we > self-evidently do). > > Someone pull me up if I'm drastically underestimating the scope of > this, but otherwise I'm happy to put my hand to at least spin up a > CiviCRM test so we can start poking at something. > > Regards > > Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Account signup is open, and everyone is welcome to help out; shoot me an email off-list and I'll grant whatever extra privielges you need. Happy to do as you describe. > Kathy had a set of basic requirements that hopefully she'll share. > This would be excellent. > If you're still interested let me know what you think or if you need any > help/resources (for example a dev/demo vm). > The key thing for me would be to understand what data we currently have (a sql schema if one exists), what data we need and what we'd like to be able to track. CivCRM comes with member signup (linked to drupal accounts or not), self-service updating of details, automatic membership expiry (with reminders), recording contacts, groups etc etc. There's a huge amount of functionality built-in. I think the important part is figuring out what functionality we want in and what we want out. This isn't a technical question, and it's a matter really for the Council/secretary to determine. Lots of detail is important too: on signup do we want to collect mailing/physical addresses? Should this be required or optional? Do we limit countries to Australia and NZ, or do we permit any country? How does this link in to Zookeepr; what data do we want to share? Do we want sync between CRM entries and drupal accounts? Wiki accounts? These detail questions are the sorts of things that might be better for a "committee" to discuss, rather than the linux-aus list as a whole. Upshot is: happy to push this. Regards Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Thu Jun 18 23:39:34 2015 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 23:39:34 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] What's happening with the Membership Committee? In-Reply-To: References: <557BB717.6070305@kathyreid.id.au> <557CAE60.3070208@kathyreid.id.au> <557E4684.5060802@nitrotech.org> <5582B105.1070405@nitrotech.org> Message-ID: <5582CA16.4070307@kathyreid.id.au> And the doc in question; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tyTA3Fj5J9XL2D7UTIxw46smXGrLM5J-fI4g6GxK9hM/edit?usp=sharing (please use established format for any edits) Best, K. From marek at kuziel.info Tue Jun 23 14:26:29 2015 From: marek at kuziel.info (Marek Kuziel) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:26:29 +1200 Subject: [Linux-aus] ANNOUNCING: Kiwi PyCon 2015 - Call for Proposals extended to June 30! Message-ID: Since the opening of the Kiwi PyCon 2015 Call for Proposals we have had some marvelous proposals sent in. To those who have already submitted proposals: thank you! There are some truly great submissions, and ones that I personally can't wait to see. To those who are still planning their submissions, or pondering what they would want to speak on: have no fear! The Kiwi PyCon 2015 team is pleased to announce that we are extending the deadline for proposals to the 30th of June. That gives you one more week to get your proposals in! Because explicit is better than implicit, the extended deadline is 2015-06-30 23:59:59 All the details are available to you at: https://nzpug.org/call-for-proposals/ You can submit your poster, talk or tutorial proposals here: https://nzpug.org/proposals/submit/ Keep the submissions rolling in! We can't wait to read them all! Marek, on behalf of the New Zealand Python User Group and Kiwi PyCon 2015. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clinton.roy at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 13:39:49 2015 From: clinton.roy at gmail.com (Clinton Roy) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 13:39:49 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] PyCon Australia 2015 Programme Released! Message-ID: PyCon Australia is proud to release our programme for 2015, spread over the weekend of August 1st and 2nd, following our Miniconfs on Friday 31 July. Following our largest ever response to our Call for Proposals, we are able to present two keynotes, forty eight talks and two tutorials. The conference will feature four full tracks of presentations, covering all aspects of the Python ecosystem, presented by experts and core developers of key Python technology. Our presenters cover a broad range of backgrounds, including industry, research, government and academia. We are still finalising our Miniconf timetable, but we expect another thirty talks for Friday. We'd like to highlight the inaugural running of the Education Miniconf whose primary aim is to bring educators and the Python community closer together. 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Find out more about the options at http://2015.pycon-au.org/register/accommodation To begin the registration process, and find out more about each level of ticket, visit http://2015.pycon-au.org/register/prices Important Dates to Help You Plan - June 29: Financial Assistance program closes. - July 8: Last day to Order PyCon Australia 2015 T-shirts - July 19: Last day to Advise Special Dietary Requirements - July 31 : PyCon Australia 2015 Begins About PyCon Australia PyCon Australia is the national conference for the Python Programming Community. The sixth PyCon Australia will be held on July 31 through August 4th, 2015 in Brisbane, bringing together professional, student and enthusiast developers with a love for developing with Python. PyCon Australia informs the country?s Python developers with presentations, tutorials and panel sessions by experts and core developers of Python, as well as the libraries and frameworks that they rely on. 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In the past the backups of systems I run have either involved removable disks (IE amounts of data that can fit on a maximum size SATA disk) or some enterprisey tape setup (where someone other than me is paid to do it and money doesn't matter). Now one of my clients has got to the stage where they need a serious backup and I don't know where to start. They also don't have a lot of money to spend on it. The main RAID array is 27TB and the second array is 15TB. Both of them are expected to grow. The majority of the data doesn't change much at all, probably 50G of changes per day. The main RAID arrays are ZFS pools, so part of the backup solution could involve "zfs send" (otherwise an incremental backup of several million files could be a pain). The 2 servers with ZFS pools are connected by GigE, which really isn't suitable for backing up 15TB of data. So I guess the best option would be some sort of removable table drive that can be connected to either server. Are there good eSATA tape drives? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From russell at coker.com.au Mon Jun 29 21:47:06 2015 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:47:06 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Science Cafe Message-ID: <201506292147.07017.russell@coker.com.au> I would like to start a Melbourne version of the "Science Cafe" project. That involves arranging meetings of scientists and people who are interested in science to chat informally at cafes etc. I need a mailing list. I think that as it's a non-free project based around science it's a good fit for the aims of Linux Australia and running another mailing list is a very easy form of sponsorship. So I'd like to use a mailing list on the LA server. A possible mailing list name would be science-cafe- melb. Also if things go well in this regard I'll eventually setup a Meetup group. If that happens would LA be willing to sponsor the Meetup fees and have official ownership of the Meetup account? I don't want this to be something that I personally do, I want it to be easily passed on to other people who have more time and energy when appropriate. ====== Here's the background: The Science Cafe idea has been implemented in different ways in various places. The people who started it favored a very decentralised model so there isn't even a clear definition of it apart from being generally involving people talking about science, usually scientists talking to random people who want to learn in a cafe or other similar public place. I'm initially planning to talk to my contacts in medical research but it would be good if other people can find scientists willing to get involved. If anyone from Melbourne wants to get involved then let me know by private mail and I'll put you in contact with the other people. If anyone wants to do something in another region then I guess this list could be used to start the discussion. http://www.inspiring-australia.com.au/category/cafe-scientifique/ The above URL has information on what they are doing in QLD. Small amounts of money are available to help people who want to run similar events. http://www.scitech.org.au/events/all/1740-science-cafe The above URL has information about an event in Perth for year 9-11 kids. I didn't put much effort into finding out what's going on in other states, the fact that nothing is happening in Melbourne is all that's really of interest to me. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From lists at fukawi2.nl Tue Jun 30 10:48:01 2015 From: lists at fukawi2.nl (Phillip Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:48:01 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 30TB backup In-Reply-To: <201506291204.20786.russell@coker.com.au> References: <201506291204.20786.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: On 29 June 2015 at 12:04, Russell Coker wrote: > The 2 servers with ZFS pools are connected by GigE, which really isn't > suitable for backing up 15TB of data. So I guess the best option would be > some sort of removable table drive that can be connected to either server. > Are there good eSATA tape drives? You would probably want SAS connected tape. We use HP LTO drives in external rack-mount cases. The SAS is hot-plugable. Could you `zfs send` an initial snapshot to another ZFS array, then move it offsite and just send incremental snapshots? Not sure what your connectivity options are. From russell at coker.com.au Tue Jun 30 12:10:58 2015 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:10:58 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 30TB backup In-Reply-To: References: <201506291204.20786.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: <201506301210.59019.russell@coker.com.au> On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Phillip Smith wrote: > On 29 June 2015 at 12:04, Russell Coker wrote: > > The 2 servers with ZFS pools are connected by GigE, which really isn't > > suitable for backing up 15TB of data. So I guess the best option would > > be some sort of removable table drive that can be connected to either > > server. Are there good eSATA tape drives? > > You would probably want SAS connected tape. We use HP LTO drives in > external rack-mount cases. The SAS is hot-plugable. Sounds OK. eSATA would be a little more convenient as the servers already have it but I guess SAS controllers can't be that expensive. How much do the tape drive and the tapes generally cost? > Could you `zfs send` an initial snapshot to another ZFS array, then > move it offsite and just send incremental snapshots? Not sure what > your connectivity options are. All the available ADSL bandwidth is being used getting new data into those servers. It's simply impossible to send the incremental snapshots over the Internet. In my previous mention of data changes I should have noted that it's slightly more than the capacity of 2*ADSL links downloading 24*7. ;) -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From john.mann at monash.edu Tue Jun 30 16:11:57 2015 From: john.mann at monash.edu (John Mann) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:11:57 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 30TB backup In-Reply-To: <201506291204.20786.russell@coker.com.au> References: <201506291204.20786.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: On 29 June 2015 at 12:04, Russell Coker wrote: > What's the best way of backing up 30TB of data? > > ... > > The 2 servers with ZFS pools are connected by GigE, which really isn't > suitable for backing up 15TB of data. You might be surprised. Reading metadata, head seeks, rotation etc slows things down. Often, file transfers are limited to single disk spindle read rates i.e. ~ 100 MB/s or ~ 1 Gbit/s _If_ you can keep a 1 Gbit/s Ethernet link full, it can transfer 10 TB per day. See http://techinternets.com/copy_calc 15 TB in < 2 days isn't too long to wait for the initial backup. Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at fukawi2.nl Tue Jun 30 16:27:23 2015 From: lists at fukawi2.nl (Phillip Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:27:23 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] 30TB backup In-Reply-To: <201506301210.59019.russell@coker.com.au> References: <201506291204.20786.russell@coker.com.au> <201506301210.59019.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: On 30 June 2015 at 12:10, Russell Coker wrote: > How much do the tape drive and the tapes generally cost? IIRC we got a good deal on the drive at about $1k. The tapes aren't dirt cheap, but comparing the per GB price for tape vs HDD is favorable, and HDD is not suitable for offline/long-term storage anyway. > All the available ADSL bandwidth is being used getting new data into those > servers. It's simply impossible to send the incremental snapshots over the > Internet. Ah, ADSL, say no more. Possibility to build an air-fibre link to a nearby-but-still-offsite facility? What is the data? Will you get good compression and/or de-duplication across it?