[Linux-aus] LCA2014 update

Steve Dalton steve at refactor.com.au
Wed Aug 29 23:12:35 EST 2012

Thanks Anthony

That is good feedback. I think at the time I was pretty busy and didn't
have a lot of local support, when I heard Canberra was bidding, it was
pretty easy to procrastinate and let it slide.

I hear what you are saying about you having to bid multiple times to get it
though, a few others also gave me this advice. It's just not particularly
motivating when you know what you are putting lots of unpaid effort into is
just a warm up exercise, or a warm up for a warm up.

I think in hindsight I should have just put something basic in - if people
could see I had at least attempted  it might at the very least had brought
some more active locals into the team to help me on the next bid.

Re the Casino thing on OSDC - there may have been other reasons but that
was the only one that got back to me.

Anyway - Griffith Uni is looking a lot better these days, new Uni hospital
opens in December and Health & Knowledge Precinct currently under
construction - which makes it a much bigger and interesting Campus. It
would be a great venue for LCA is worthy of a bid. Bond Uni is a no go -
their 3 semesters means there is almost no time where the place is on
vacation - they are also about to virtually close down what is left of
their school of IT which is very sad for the Gold Coast.


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On Aug 29, 2012 10:35 PM, "Anthony Towns" <aj at erisian.com.au> wrote:

> On 29 August 2012 09:42, Steve Dalton <steve at refactor.com.au> wrote:
> > I was thinking of bidding for 2013, started looking at the bid documents
> and
> > I already had a little bit of stuff done from a failed OSDC bid. But
> when I
> > heard Canberra were bidding, I didn't bother with it -
> That's not the best approach; historically most cities/teams have to
> bid more than once to actually get it. If you can get your first
> attempt out of the way earlier, that's a win. FWIW, going from memory,
> supply your own grains of salt:
> First-timers:
>   Melbourne (CALU) '99: party at Rusty's place
>   Sydney '01: only ones game to try stealing Rusty's shoes
>   Brisbane '02: Perth and Adelaide/Canberra (?) ceded to Brisbane
>   Sydney '07: uppity folks they were
>   Wellington '10: also uppity
>   Canberra '13: taking uppity to never before seen heights
> Multiple bids:
>   Perth '03: also wanted to run it in '02
>   Adelaide '04: wanted in for '03 iirc
>   Canberra '05: wanted in for '03 and '04 at least iirc
>   Dunedin '06: not bids per say but was interested from '04 on iirc
>   Melbourne '08: bid for '06 and '07 iirc
>   Hobart '09: bid for '07 and '08 iirc
>   Brisbane '11: bid for '09, '10 as well
>   Ballarat '12: bid for '11 as well
> I don't know if there's been any actual teams that have actually put
> bids in for LCA and not (eventually) run one. I can't recall any?
> I think there was only one team bidding for both LCA 2012 and LCA 2013.
> > as there would have
> > been a fair bit of work to do the bid properly, and looking at the way
> that
> > OSDC Canberra had gone I realised I had no chance against Canberra.
> Even so, it would give you the opportunity to ask "so, hey, why was
> Canberra's bid better than mine?" and make notes for next time.
> Certainly teams have changed composition and/or leaders between their
> first and successful bids.
> > As
> > potential organisers we could also get an idea for the chances of actual
> > success before we spend a lot of time preparing bid documents.
> The odds depend a lot on who you end up coming up against; eg,
> Brisbane's bid for the 2010 conference had a lot of work put in for
> it, but it was reasonably legitimately outclassed by Wellington's bid,
> which wasn't something that could really have been predicted until
> after the bids were in.
> > My OSDC bid for instance was knocked back as I chose the Casino as a
> venue -
> Interesting. AIUI, PyCon that just finished was held at Wrest Point
> casino down in Tas. I can understand another bid being preferred (a
> uni being cheaper or a more pleasant environment than a casino eg),
> but not being outright knocked back.
> The main reasons to knock back an LCA bid seem (to me) to be: not
> enough evidence you really understand the dollars involved (can't put
> together a realistic budget particularly), don't have a good enough
> idea for where/when you're going to host the conference or other
> logistics (arguably Ballarat got knocked back for LCA 2011 mostly due
> to transport concerns I think), or don't have a strong enough team to
> convince LA that you'll be able to pull your plans off. Other than
> that, it's just a matter of being the best bid out of the ones
> received, and if there's only one bid...
> >  is there anyway we can do something like an expression of interest from
> > bidders before the actual bid?
> This was done for 2013:
> http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2011-February/018476.html
> It was skipped for 2014 because the council was behind schedule:
> http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2012-April/019446.html
> Cheers,
> aj
> --
> Anthony Towns <aj at erisian.com.au>
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