[Linux-aus] linux-aus Digest, Vol 47, Issue 45

James Purser jamesrpurser at gmail.com
Sun Feb 27 09:26:51 EST 2011

Can you guys take this off list now thanks?

Now that it's reached the point of personal attack and playground pettiness
it offers no value to the rest of us.

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:

>  I stopped reading your trolling before I got too far,,why? simply because
> you selectively quote and base your
> BS on that, rather than the full bit, especially about the HRC, moronic
> twits like you, have no idea, and by the way. do not profess to claim you
> speak for me when you have no idea on my experiences with working with the
> HRC or other legal entities.
> I did formulate other comments, but stopped., and deleted them once I woke
> up to the ranting trollish fool that you are
> dont waste my time, or your time by responding  because im getting too old
> do deal with wankers like you.
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 19:02 +1100, elliott-brennan wrote:
>  If comments such as this are made they should be
> prefaced with "I believe without any evidence
> whatsoever".
> > We are all in this now because we want to be, I'd
> > stop short of saying "it's in our blood",
> You should stop short too. Such comments are
> merely rhetorical and slyly infer some
> 'naturalness'. There is nothing 'natural' about
> it, ie. there is nothing in \the nature of men
> which leads you to this. Furthermore any claims
> that you just 'kept trying' due to interest and
> that's why you are where you are is pure hubris
> and fails to recognise the intersection of a whole
> collection of cultural and historical factors
> which preceded your birth and provided
> opportunities which you personally would not be
> able to create, as well as those factors which
> existed following your birth and during your life
> time.
> Additionally, the 'we're all in this because we
> want to be' ignores the people who would like to
> change careers but cannot because they either:
> have no other skills, need the money, have
> commitments which require them to remain, feel to
> depressed or lack confidence to 'move on' or
> cannot work out where else they'd rather be.
> There are many sly ways of inferring some
> superiority or naturalness to a circumstance and
> the 'we're all' and 'in the blood' throw-aways are
> good examples.
> > could be seen as an attempt to entice people who
> > currently have no interest, to gain an interest.
> No. It's not. It is to create a circumstance
> within which people who feel excluded, who have
> few opportunities to become engaged and who are
> actively discriminated against will feel these
> opportunities speak to them.
> >
> > The Human Rights commission who deal with such
> > things as discrimination, could find it
> > interesting,
> Nope. Seriously. No. I don't know why people who
> have no information or experience in these matter
> continue to throw out queries and questions
> without checking some basic facts.
> I suggest the following: do exactly what you are
> suggesting could possibly bring about this 'query'
> from HREOC (Human Rights and Equal Employment
> Opportunities Commission), receive your 'knock
> back' and then contact HREOC.
> I've seen enough 'queries' like yours to be
> confident about the outcome.
> If like thinkers have some evidence, please
> present it as this thread is sorely in need of
> examples of reputable theoretical and research
> studies which provide a counter balance to the
> 'projects like Ada are necessary' argument.
> All I've read in the counter-arguments so far are
> some personal airy-fairy throw away lines which
> don't pass muster and which are evidence only of a
> lack of education and reading in the area under
> discussion.
> For the sake of clarity: I'm not familiar enough
> with the LA policies and practices to comment on
> how the donation has been made, but I am educated
> and experienced enough to pass comment on whether
> the project has worthwhile goals and meets a need
> and whether discrimination against women exists.
> There is enough evidence for a blind man to
> find...if he has the skills, ability and interest
> to find out and the 'natural inclination' to put
> in the effort that 'all of have'.
> Regards,
> Patrick
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James Purser
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