From jwoithe at just42.net Sun Dec 1 14:32:13 2024 From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 14:02:13 +1030 Subject: [Grants] Grant Application from Kylie Willison for Open Laptop Project In-Reply-To: References: <4BgZFyhAPTOdhfDmLnZnNb76tdH60wwf7R6S11KA@linux.org.au> Message-ID: Hi everyone On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:12:39AM +1030, Jonathan Woithe wrote: > I notice that the application refers to an attachment for the budget details > but I don't think it has come through to the list. Could you please send it > to the Grants list as an attachment when convenient? Be aware that the > email address you send from must be a subscriber to the LA Grants list for > your post to be accepted. Attached is a copy of the budget provided by Kylie in support of the grant application. Regards jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: LinuxAusGrantBudget-adl_makerspace.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 75737 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Sun Dec 1 15:03:53 2024 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:03:53 +1100 Subject: [Grants] Grant Application from Kylie Willison for Open Laptop Project In-Reply-To: References: <4BgZFyhAPTOdhfDmLnZnNb76tdH60wwf7R6S11KA@linux.org.au> Message-ID: Thanks Jonathan, and thanks Kylie for putting together a well thought-out and costed Grant Application. I see the strengths of this application as: - Very experienced primary applicant in Kylie - who is well known to LA and the broader SA Maker community, and is eminently qualified to execute what is being proposed. - Well costed, well structured and clearly thought through budget, which accounts for volunteer time, and shows the in-kind contribution that is being contributed to the overall project. The team has "skin in the game". - The hardware that is sought has multiple applications - across repair cafes, Maker Space etc. - Strong alignment with Linux Australia's stated Values. Some of the weakness of this application (and suggestions to address them) - It's not clear how the success of the initiative would be measured. I'm the first person to call bullshit on useless metrics (Goodhart's Law, cough), however I am curious what the signals of success would be here - some things that come to mind would be "how often are the laptops used?" or "person X used a laptop to do $THING which they otherwise would not have been able to do" (one speaks to broad impact, one speaks to narrow but deeper impact). I also want to flag this is 50% of the Grants budget for this year - that in itself shouldn't be a detractor - if something worthwhile takes more funding, then that might be a better investment than a smaller grant with a smaller impact. But this speaks to the signals of success - is this worthy of 50% of the Grants budget? - What is the expected life-cycle of the laptops and how would they be disposed of at expected end of life (because I feel that LA has a responsibility to make sure a grant request does not generate landfill from a sustainability perspective)? This might be as simple as "at end of X years they will be gifted to members of the Maker Space who can make use of them or taken to e-recycling". - Will the program material also be made open source for re-usability by e.g. other Maker Spaces or Linux User Groups? (as this increases the impact of the work done) To be clear, as an LA member I am in favour of this Grant Application, Kind regards, Kathy Reid On 1/12/24 14:32, Jonathan Woithe wrote: > Hi everyone > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:12:39AM +1030, Jonathan Woithe wrote: >> I notice that the application refers to an attachment for the budget details >> but I don't think it has come through to the list. Could you please send it >> to the Grants list as an attachment when convenient? Be aware that the >> email address you send from must be a subscriber to the LA Grants list for >> your post to be accepted. > Attached is a copy of the budget provided by Kylie in support of the grant > application. > > Regards > jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > Grants mailing list > Grants at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/grants From kira0030 at gmail.com Mon Dec 2 21:53:15 2024 From: kira0030 at gmail.com (Kylie Willison) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:23:15 +1030 Subject: [Grants] Grant Application from Kylie Willison for Open Laptop Project In-Reply-To: References: <4BgZFyhAPTOdhfDmLnZnNb76tdH60wwf7R6S11KA@linux.org.au> Message-ID: Hi Kathy Thank you for the suggestions on how to measure the success of the project. We can certainly keep track of how and when the laptops are used and report back on those figures. The numbers of workshop attendees will be one group we can easily report on. I don't have any stats on the expected life cycle of the laptops but I can find this out. We have an e-waste bin at Makerspace Adelaide which is from Electronic Recycling Australia for all our e-waste as well as a relationship with ItShare SA Inc who recycle computers, install Linux and sell them cheaply to low income earners, so we have two ways to recycle dead laptops and extend the use of older ones. We are also happy to release our workshop notes under a creative commons license for everyone to use. If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to reach out. Kind regards Kylie On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 at 14:33, Kathy Reid wrote: > Thanks Jonathan, and thanks Kylie for putting together a well > thought-out and costed Grant Application. > > > I see the strengths of this application as: > > - Very experienced primary applicant in Kylie - who is well known to LA > and the broader SA Maker community, and is eminently qualified to > execute what is being proposed. > > - Well costed, well structured and clearly thought through budget, which > accounts for volunteer time, and shows the in-kind contribution that is > being contributed to the overall project. The team has "skin in the game". > > - The hardware that is sought has multiple applications - across repair > cafes, Maker Space etc. > > - Strong alignment with Linux Australia's stated Values. > > > Some of the weakness of this application (and suggestions to address them) > > - It's not clear how the success of the initiative would be measured. > I'm the first person to call bullshit on useless metrics (Goodhart's > Law, cough), however I am curious what the signals of success would be > here - some things that come to mind would be "how often are the laptops > used?" or "person X used a laptop to do $THING which they otherwise > would not have been able to do" (one speaks to broad impact, one speaks > to narrow but deeper impact). I also want to flag this is 50% of the > Grants budget for this year - that in itself shouldn't be a detractor - > if something worthwhile takes more funding, then that might be a better > investment than a smaller grant with a smaller impact. But this speaks > to the signals of success - is this worthy of 50% of the Grants budget? > > - What is the expected life-cycle of the laptops and how would they be > disposed of at expected end of life (because I feel that LA has a > responsibility to make sure a grant request does not generate landfill > from a sustainability perspective)? This might be as simple as "at end > of X years they will be gifted to members of the Maker Space who can > make use of them or taken to e-recycling". > > - Will the program material also be made open source for re-usability by > e.g. other Maker Spaces or Linux User Groups? (as this increases the > impact of the work done) > > > To be clear, as an LA member I am in favour of this Grant Application, > > Kind regards, > > Kathy Reid > > > On 1/12/24 14:32, Jonathan Woithe wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:12:39AM +1030, Jonathan Woithe wrote: > >> I notice that the application refers to an attachment for the budget > details > >> but I don't think it has come through to the list. Could you please > send it > >> to the Grants list as an attachment when convenient? Be aware that the > >> email address you send from must be a subscriber to the LA Grants list > for > >> your post to be accepted. > > Attached is a copy of the budget provided by Kylie in support of the > grant > > application. > > > > Regards > > jonathan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Grants mailing list > > Grants at lists.linux.org.au > > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/grants > -- Join me for - Live Research Time With Grandma Kylie https://www.tiktok.com/@grandmakylie55 Kylie's Genes Research Services http://www.research.kyliesgenes.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: