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------_=_NextPart_001_01C480BF.6FAEF5A4-- From shaun@pcuse.com Fri Aug 13 20:51:07 2004 Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net ([203.16.214.181]) by digital.linux.org.au with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BvbWU-0008E2-St for cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:51:07 +0800 Received: from sagan.cai (ppp139-221.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.139.221]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7DCp54Y062980 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:21:06 +0930 (CST) Received: by sagan.cai (Postfix, from userid 1100) id 816B862; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:21:09 +0930 (CST) From: Shaun Branden To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au Message-ID: <20040813125109.GA642@pcuse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Shaun Branden , cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: 2571 65A6 1F38 0168 63CB BCE5 CA20 7F19 AA92 1949 X-GPG-Key: AA921949 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.16.214.181 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: shaun@pcuse.com Subject: Re: [Cbsupport] Is this list still active? 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Feel free to ask whatever shaun -- Shaun Branden; email: shaun@pcuse.com; icq: 10469563 ITShare South Australia: http://itshare.org.au ITShare gives away computer systems created from donated hardware and opensource software. From mailkylie@optushome.com.au Fri Aug 27 13:45:40 2004 Received: from fallbackmx02.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.72]) by digital.linux.org.au with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C0ZYR-0005at-Sc for cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:45:40 +0800 Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.185]) by fallbackmx02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7M796g28633 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:09:06 +1000 Received: from [211.28.135.109] (c211-28-135-109.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.135.109]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7M795Ei010187 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:09:05 +1000 Message-ID: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> From: Kylie Davies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040704 Debian/1.7-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 211.29.133.72 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mailkylie@optushome.com.au Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090104060600030208020604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64-la1 (2004-01-11) on digital.linux.org.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64-la1 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.0 (built Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on digital.linux.org.au) Subject: [Cbsupport] [Fwd: Re: Adobe Illustator CS] Sender: cbsupport-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: cbsupport-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Computerbank support list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Aug 27 13:46:02 2004 X-Original-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:07:38 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090104060600030208020604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, This may be relevant for others on this list. Thanks Avery and Julien. :) Cheers, Kylie --------------090104060600030208020604 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: Adobe Illustator CS" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: Adobe Illustator CS" Return-Path: Received: from lists.luv.asn.au (total.luv.asn.au [202.182.69.75]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7KDf4ie032020; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:41:06 +1000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.luv.asn.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CDC5B9D9; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from lists.luv.asn.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lists.luv.asn.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19468-05; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by lists.luv.asn.au (Postfix, from userid 104) id A3EF15B9DF; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:45 +1000 (EST) Delivered-To: luv-main@luv.asn.au Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.luv.asn.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42CA5B97F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from lists.luv.asn.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lists.luv.asn.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18917-09 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from sparc006.chriskaine.com.au (sparc006.chriskaine.com.au [203.44.212.106]) by lists.luv.asn.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B665B94E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:32 +1000 (EST) Received: by sparc006.chriskaine.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 215B473529; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:28 +1000 From: Julien Goodwin To: luv-main@luv.asn.au Subject: Re: Adobe Illustator CS Message-ID: <20040820134028.GA18814@Sparc006.chriskaine.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: luv-main@luv.asn.au References: <4125E50A.5040703@dodo.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4125E50A.5040703@dodo.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux sparc006 2.4.19 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at luv.asn.au X-Loop: luv-main@luv.asn.au X-Sequence: 1599 Errors-To: luv-main-owner@luv.asn.au Precedence: list X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at luv.asn.au --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:48:26PM +1000, Deb&Max arranged a set of bits in= to the following: > Any way we are using Illustrator CS and I was wondering if there is a=20 > Linux Application that we read or edit it without having to buy it. I=20 > think with GIMP you still have to buy it to have the plug ins work but I= =20 > could be mistaken. Don't know of any GIMP plugins for sale but I'm sure they're there (Although is the compay that sells there repacking of GIMP for Mac OS X) As you should know from your course there are two types of images, raster and vector. For editing raster images you have: * Photoshop (Win/Mac) * The GIMP (Win/Mac/Linux) etc. For editing vector images you have: * Illustrator (Win/Mac) * Corel Draw (At least one version of which was released for linux) (Win/Li= nux/Not sure re mac) * Inkscape (nee Sodipodi) (Win/Linux) Just having a program is obviously not enough, you need a file format that they can both work with, the only real option being SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)/SVZ (GZipped SVG) --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFBJf9MBN1Ia7JOLPcRAkH6AJ9XPWd8mGMJl1Ak3QPEMcjkrLP0QwCgnzXJ BHz+Hq/stgWS9xICxuBEAqU= =lhY3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- --------------090104060600030208020604-- From blklein@fastmail.fm Sun Aug 29 20:30:05 2004 Received: from pop2.alphalink.com.au ([202.161.124.206]) by digital.linux.org.au with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1Oov-0008HD-Ed for cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:30:05 +0800 Received: from [172.24.42.31] ([203.46.64.180]) by pop2.alphalink.com.au (8.12.10/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i7TC6TXW005840 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:06:36 +1000 Message-ID: <4131C696.7040000@fastmail.fm> From: Barry Klein User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au References: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 202.161.124.206 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: blklein@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: [Cbsupport] [Fwd: Re: Adobe Illustator CS] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64-la1 (2004-01-11) on digital.linux.org.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64-la1 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.0 (built Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on digital.linux.org.au) Sender: cbsupport-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: cbsupport-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Computerbank support list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Aug 29 20:31:01 2004 X-Original-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:05:42 +1000 Kylie Davies wrote: > This may be relevant for others on this list. > > Thanks Avery and Julien. :) > > Cheers, > > Kylie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > Re: Adobe Illustator CS > From: > Julien Goodwin > Date: > Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:28 +1000 > To: > luv-main@luv.asn.au > > To: > luv-main@luv.asn.au > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:48:26PM +1000, Deb&Max arranged a set of bits into the following: > >>Any way we are using Illustrator CS and I was wondering if there is a >>Linux Application that we read or edit it without having to buy it. I >>think with GIMP you still have to buy it to have the plug ins work but I >>could be mistaken. > > Don't know of any GIMP plugins for sale but I'm sure they're there > (Although is the compay that sells there repacking of GIMP for Mac OS X) > > As you should know from your course there are two types of images, > raster and vector. > > For editing raster images you have: > * Photoshop (Win/Mac) > * The GIMP (Win/Mac/Linux) > etc. > > For editing vector images you have: > * Illustrator (Win/Mac) > * Corel Draw (At least one version of which was released for linux) (Win/Linux/Not sure re mac) > * Inkscape (nee Sodipodi) (Win/Linux) * OpenOffice.org Draw (Win/Linux/Mac) is a vector graphics editor. > Just having a program is obviously not enough, you need a file format > that they can both work with, the only real option being SVG (Scalable > Vector Graphics)/SVZ (GZipped SVG) Barry Klein From shevek@bur.st Mon Aug 30 01:34:36 2004 Received: from sweep.bur.st ([202.61.227.58]) by digital.linux.org.au with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1TZc-0002P0-5Z for cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:34:36 +0800 Received: by sweep.bur.st (Postfix, from userid 970) id 21C552CC187; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:03:27 +0800 (WST) To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au Message-ID: <20040829170327.GB919@sweep.bur.st> References: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> <4131C696.7040000@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4131C696.7040000@fastmail.fm> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: shevek@bur.st (Simeon Scott) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 202.61.227.58 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: shevek@bur.st Subject: Re: [Cbsupport] [Fwd: Re: Adobe Illustator CS] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64-la1 (2004-01-11) on digital.linux.org.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=CASHCASHCASH autolearn=no version=2.64-la1 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.0 (built Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0200) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on digital.linux.org.au) Sender: cbsupport-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: cbsupport-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Computerbank support list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Aug 30 01:35:02 2004 X-Original-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:03:27 +0800 Deb&Max, I'm not familiar with Illustrator CS, but the Illustrator native file format which I am aware of, .ai, is basically encapsulated postscript, ie .eps, which can be read by ghostview, but isn't very amenable to editing by other applications. I just found this one, Cenon, haven't tried it. Let me know if you need help getting it to work (or if it works!): http://www.cenon.info Cenon says it can import postscript and some other vector formats, so probably you can import the .ai or else, use Illustrator to export some other format it can read. There is a livecd which you can boot and use Cenon with without installing, if you want to try it out. I will drop in a copy of this livecd to cbv this week or next (when I get some blanks). http://linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ Yes, Openoffice.org draw is an excellent free vector graphics editor. I am proposing to run a course in cbv on this and perhaps other linux graphics tools for dtp. I recommend learning this one, rather than trying to learn something else which can edit .ai, first. :) Why? Because most linux users interested in DTP now have Openoffice already installed. It will become the defacto standard office ap, just as MS Office is/was (ie not just for linux). Openoffice can embed an eps file in a drawing, and you can draw over the top, so can change them that way. But it's not all that easy. Perhaps your best bet is to learn Openoffice Draw by recreating your work using that ;) The ghostscript package includes various tools for playing with postscript, but they are all command line tools I think. Coreldraw can edit postscript, and as Julien mentions, is available for linux, but it costs $$$. Fig / xfig can nearly edit postscript - there is an importer ps2fig - see the faq http://www.bio.vu.nl/thb/links/docs/xfig/faq.html#edit_eps I don't know how good the importer is (how much of .ai it understands). But postscript usually does not have information about object groupings, so eg textures fill becomes a seperate object from the actual outline, and so on, I think. It's probably your best bet for free software that will edit native Illustrator vector format. Perhaps you can export from Illustrator to some other format - compare the formats listed by Openoffice and those listed by Illustrator :) If you can get SVG export from illustrator, try using sodipodi (Inkscape?) to edit that. Other excellent vector graphics software for linux are Scribus which is a complete document layout engine, and sketch (now skencil!). Scribus and sodipodi/inkscape are the other ones really worth learning, apart from OpenOffice I think. Simeon On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 10:05:42PM +1000, Barry Klein wrote: > Kylie Davies wrote: > > >This may be relevant for others on this list. > > > >Thanks Avery and Julien. :) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Kylie > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Subject: > >Re: Adobe Illustator CS > >From: > >Julien Goodwin > >Date: > >Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:28 +1000 > >To: > >luv-main@luv.asn.au > > > >To: > >luv-main@luv.asn.au > > > >On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:48:26PM +1000, Deb&Max arranged a set of bits > >into the following: > > > >>Any way we are using Illustrator CS and I was wondering if there is a > >>Linux Application that we read or edit it without having to buy it. I > >>think with GIMP you still have to buy it to have the plug ins work but I > >>could be mistaken. > > > >Don't know of any GIMP plugins for sale but I'm sure they're there > >(Although is the compay that sells there repacking of GIMP for Mac OS X) > > > >As you should know from your course there are two types of images, > >raster and vector. > > > >For editing raster images you have: > >* Photoshop (Win/Mac) > >* The GIMP (Win/Mac/Linux) > >etc. > > > >For editing vector images you have: > >* Illustrator (Win/Mac) > >* Corel Draw (At least one version of which was released for linux) > >(Win/Linux/Not sure re mac) > >* Inkscape (nee Sodipodi) (Win/Linux) > > * OpenOffice.org Draw (Win/Linux/Mac) is a vector graphics editor. > > >Just having a program is obviously not enough, you need a file format > >that they can both work with, the only real option being SVG (Scalable > >Vector Graphics)/SVZ (GZipped SVG) > > Barry Klein > > > _______________________________________________ > cbsupport mailing list > cbsupport@lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/cbsupport From Derek.Vanderkruk at i-solutions.net.au Fri Aug 13 06:54:01 2004 From: Derek.Vanderkruk at i-solutions.net.au (Derek Vanderkruk) Date: Fri Aug 13 06:54:01 2004 Subject: [Cbsupport] Is this list still active? Message-ID: Is this list still here or has CB disappeared? I haven't seen any CB posts (on any of the lists) since the start of July. Derek Vanderkruk __________________________________________________________ Integrated Solutions (QLD)P/L Phone: +61 (7) 4044 0300 Direct: +61 (7) 4044 0308 124 Spence Street Fax: +61 (7) 4041 6600 CAIRNS QLD 4868 Mobile: 0417 608 757 Australia E-mail: Derek.Vanderkruk at i-solutions.net.au Web Site: www.i-solutions.net.au __________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From mailkylie at optushome.com.au Fri Aug 27 13:46:02 2004 From: mailkylie at optushome.com.au (Kylie Davies) Date: Fri Aug 27 13:46:02 2004 Subject: [Cbsupport] [Fwd: Re: Adobe Illustator CS] Message-ID: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> Hi there, This may be relevant for others on this list. Thanks Avery and Julien. :) Cheers, Kylie -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Julien Goodwin Subject: Re: Adobe Illustator CS Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:28 +1000 Size: 4147 Url: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/cbsupport/attachments/20040827/e3acf0be/attachment.eml From blklein at fastmail.fm Sun Aug 29 20:31:01 2004 From: blklein at fastmail.fm (Barry Klein) Date: Sun Aug 29 20:31:01 2004 Subject: [Cbsupport] [Fwd: Re: Adobe Illustator CS] In-Reply-To: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> References: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <4131C696.7040000@fastmail.fm> Kylie Davies wrote: > This may be relevant for others on this list. > > Thanks Avery and Julien. :) > > Cheers, > > Kylie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > Re: Adobe Illustator CS > From: > Julien Goodwin > Date: > Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:28 +1000 > To: > luv-main at luv.asn.au > > To: > luv-main at luv.asn.au > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:48:26PM +1000, Deb&Max arranged a set of bits into the following: > >>Any way we are using Illustrator CS and I was wondering if there is a >>Linux Application that we read or edit it without having to buy it. I >>think with GIMP you still have to buy it to have the plug ins work but I >>could be mistaken. > > Don't know of any GIMP plugins for sale but I'm sure they're there > (Although is the compay that sells there repacking of GIMP for Mac OS X) > > As you should know from your course there are two types of images, > raster and vector. > > For editing raster images you have: > * Photoshop (Win/Mac) > * The GIMP (Win/Mac/Linux) > etc. > > For editing vector images you have: > * Illustrator (Win/Mac) > * Corel Draw (At least one version of which was released for linux) (Win/Linux/Not sure re mac) > * Inkscape (nee Sodipodi) (Win/Linux) * OpenOffice.org Draw (Win/Linux/Mac) is a vector graphics editor. > Just having a program is obviously not enough, you need a file format > that they can both work with, the only real option being SVG (Scalable > Vector Graphics)/SVZ (GZipped SVG) Barry Klein From shevek at bur.st Mon Aug 30 01:35:02 2004 From: shevek at bur.st (Simeon Scott) Date: Mon Aug 30 01:35:02 2004 Subject: [Cbsupport] [Fwd: Re: Adobe Illustator CS] In-Reply-To: <4131C696.7040000@fastmail.fm> References: <4128463A.40904@optushome.com.au> <4131C696.7040000@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20040829170327.GB919@sweep.bur.st> Deb&Max, I'm not familiar with Illustrator CS, but the Illustrator native file format which I am aware of, .ai, is basically encapsulated postscript, ie .eps, which can be read by ghostview, but isn't very amenable to editing by other applications. I just found this one, Cenon, haven't tried it. Let me know if you need help getting it to work (or if it works!): http://www.cenon.info Cenon says it can import postscript and some other vector formats, so probably you can import the .ai or else, use Illustrator to export some other format it can read. There is a livecd which you can boot and use Cenon with without installing, if you want to try it out. I will drop in a copy of this livecd to cbv this week or next (when I get some blanks). http://linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ Yes, Openoffice.org draw is an excellent free vector graphics editor. I am proposing to run a course in cbv on this and perhaps other linux graphics tools for dtp. I recommend learning this one, rather than trying to learn something else which can edit .ai, first. :) Why? Because most linux users interested in DTP now have Openoffice already installed. It will become the defacto standard office ap, just as MS Office is/was (ie not just for linux). Openoffice can embed an eps file in a drawing, and you can draw over the top, so can change them that way. But it's not all that easy. Perhaps your best bet is to learn Openoffice Draw by recreating your work using that ;) The ghostscript package includes various tools for playing with postscript, but they are all command line tools I think. Coreldraw can edit postscript, and as Julien mentions, is available for linux, but it costs $$$. Fig / xfig can nearly edit postscript - there is an importer ps2fig - see the faq http://www.bio.vu.nl/thb/links/docs/xfig/faq.html#edit_eps I don't know how good the importer is (how much of .ai it understands). But postscript usually does not have information about object groupings, so eg textures fill becomes a seperate object from the actual outline, and so on, I think. It's probably your best bet for free software that will edit native Illustrator vector format. Perhaps you can export from Illustrator to some other format - compare the formats listed by Openoffice and those listed by Illustrator :) If you can get SVG export from illustrator, try using sodipodi (Inkscape?) to edit that. Other excellent vector graphics software for linux are Scribus which is a complete document layout engine, and sketch (now skencil!). Scribus and sodipodi/inkscape are the other ones really worth learning, apart from OpenOffice I think. Simeon On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 10:05:42PM +1000, Barry Klein wrote: > Kylie Davies wrote: > > >This may be relevant for others on this list. > > > >Thanks Avery and Julien. :) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Kylie > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Subject: > >Re: Adobe Illustator CS > >From: > >Julien Goodwin > >Date: > >Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:40:28 +1000 > >To: > >luv-main at luv.asn.au > > > >To: > >luv-main at luv.asn.au > > > >On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:48:26PM +1000, Deb&Max arranged a set of bits > >into the following: > > > >>Any way we are using Illustrator CS and I was wondering if there is a > >>Linux Application that we read or edit it without having to buy it. I > >>think with GIMP you still have to buy it to have the plug ins work but I > >>could be mistaken. > > > >Don't know of any GIMP plugins for sale but I'm sure they're there > >(Although is the compay that sells there repacking of GIMP for Mac OS X) > > > >As you should know from your course there are two types of images, > >raster and vector. > > > >For editing raster images you have: > >* Photoshop (Win/Mac) > >* The GIMP (Win/Mac/Linux) > >etc. > > > >For editing vector images you have: > >* Illustrator (Win/Mac) > >* Corel Draw (At least one version of which was released for linux) > >(Win/Linux/Not sure re mac) > >* Inkscape (nee Sodipodi) (Win/Linux) > > * OpenOffice.org Draw (Win/Linux/Mac) is a vector graphics editor. > > >Just having a program is obviously not enough, you need a file format > >that they can both work with, the only real option being SVG (Scalable > >Vector Graphics)/SVZ (GZipped SVG) > > Barry Klein > > > _______________________________________________ > cbsupport mailing list > cbsupport at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/cbsupport