From president at linux.org.au Sun Dec 10 13:30:06 2017 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:30:06 +1100 Subject: [Media] Linux Aus Subcommittees - is there anything you'd like us to include in our end of year report? Message-ID: <0e1fe4ec-c122-337b-8a76-d2124dd5d95a@linux.org.au> Hi everyone, Hope this note finds you all well, You're receiving this email because Linux Australia is in the process of writing our end of year reports, including our Annual Report. As a Subcommittee of Linux Australia, we'd like to give you the opportunity to provide and update or overview of your activities, that can then be included in our Annual Report. This can be as brief as a paragraph or two, listing key achievements, milestones, challenges etc. We are aiming to finalise our report by 18th December, so if you'd like to provide something, please do so by this date. Kind regards, and wishing you all a wonderful Christmas and New Year, Kathy -- Kathy Reid President Linux Australia 0418 130 636 president at linux.org.au http://linux.org.au Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 From president at linux.org.au Tue Dec 19 19:58:05 2017 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:58:05 +1100 Subject: [Media] Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia? Message-ID: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> Hi everyone, Linux Australia is an incorporated association, registered in the state of NSW, and has been in operation since around 2001. Initially convened as a vehicle to operate linux.conf.au, the organisation's remit, activities and scope have broadened significantly over the last decade and a half. We think it's time to change the name of the organisation to better reflect our widened mission, values, activities, partnerships and influence. But wait, hasn't this been tried before? Yes. In 2012/2013, the Linux Australia Council, led then by John Ferlito, attempted a name change. Consensus could not be reached on a name to change *to*, and so Linux Australia remained Linux Australia. This time, we're learning from the outcome of that process, and would like to present to you a decision: Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia (Yes/No) Other aspects of the organisation - constitution, makeup and so on, are not proposed to be changed. We're communicating this now to provide the community with time to discuss this proposed change before the AGM, where the resolution will be tabled in the AGM agenda. The result of the vote will be tabled at the AGM. That is, if the majority vote 'No', we won't change the name. If the majority vote 'Yes', we will. If you are a member of Linux Australia, you will be able to vote on this resolution at: https://www.linux.org.au/membership/index.php?page=view-election&id=25 Voting will open 25th December 2017, the same time voting opens for Council Elections, and will close on 21 January, the same time voting closes for Council Elections. Let the discussion begin. Kind regards, Kathy -- Kathy Reid President Linux Australia 0418 130 636 president at linux.org.au http://linux.org.au Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 From president at linux.org.au Mon Dec 25 01:14:08 2017 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 01:14:08 +1100 Subject: [Media] [LACTTE] Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia? In-Reply-To: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> References: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Firstly, thanks to everyone for the open, candid and robust discussion of renaming. Secondly, apologies for the timing of this email, late on Christmas Eve. I've been spending the last couple of days with family and friends, and much as I love this community, they take precedence. To address a number of points that have been raised; Should the vote go ahead? Should we add more naming options? Council discussed this at length at Thursday night's Council meeting, noting how close the proposed Open Source Australia name was to Open Source Industry Australia. We followed up with Jack Burton on Friday as an OSIA representative to seek input as to next steps - and I'd like to publicly thank Jack for his time and professionalism. Essentially we had three options: 1. Stop the election/ballot on a new name, and allow for more time for community discussion on alternative names, and whether to rebrand at all 2. Add new names to the ballot 3. Allow the ballot to proceed, knowing the proposal to rename to Open Source Australia will likely be defeated Given the timeframes involved, and recognising that there are community opinions expressed for and against a name change, for many reasons, we have decided to proceed with the ballot, knowing that the name change will likely be defeated. I would also like to be transparent that this was not the preferred course of action from OSIA; we recognise that and this is in no way intended to antagonise that relationship - we've started something and we want to follow it through to a logical conclusion. Further, adding more potential names at this late stage is unlikely to be productive; the reason Open Source Australia was given as an alternate name is that it had the highest polling in the last name change poll around 5 years ago. Voting on the ballot is now open to Linux Australia members: https://linux.org.au/membership/index.php?page=view-election&id=25 What happens next? We have committed to changing the name if we receive a mandate, via a majority of votes on the ballot, to do so. This would be raised as a Special Resolution at the January AGM. If the ballot is defeated, we will not proceed to change the name in the short term. Regardless of outcome, the discussions around changing the name of Linux Australia will likely continue; this is a positive step. What I *would* encourage is some broader debate about not only what we label ourselves; but what it is that label encompasses. Our activities, our functions, our remit, our mandate. What do we want to do in the future? What do we start doing? What do we stop doing? A name has meaning. A name is powerful. Who are we? Should the ballot be defeated, further community discussions on proposed names may continue; these discussions may lead to another vote at a future time. Some finer points of discussion * If we change the name, do we need to change the Constitution? No, but we do need a Special Resolution to be passed, and then we need to apply to the Office of Fair Trading NSW to change the name. A Ballot would be used as evidence to show that members had been consulted on the decision. * If Linux Australia becomes Something Else, would we still retain the trading name? Yes. We've traded as Linux Australia for over 15 years, and we would retain the trading name to prevent other organisations leveraging the name. If someone would like to form a "Linux" subcommittee, go right ahead. * Can't we just own the trading name Open Source Australia? We already do. * How much is the Linux Australia brand worth? We've never formally had the brand evaluated. Most conference brands are much more well known than the parent organisation brand. * Should OSIA merge with Linux Australia? This is a decision for OSIA first, and only an issue for Linux Australia should OSIA wish to broach it; this has not been formally broached. Our understanding is that OSIA are attempting a "reboot" to breathe new life into the organisation - and my feeling is that it is premature to ask this until the outcome of this measure is clearer. Discussions with OSIA over the last few days have highlighted a number of areas and specific paths with with Linux Australia and OSIA could co-operate as independent, yet collaborating organisations - my thanks are again extended to Jack Burton for outlining these. They centre around co-operation on approaches to government around policy formation. * Do I base leadership decisions on episodes of Bar Rescue? While I'm sure Bar Rescue is a fine series, I haven't had the pleasure of watching it myself. I'm currently binge-watching Berlin Station. /Wer rastet, der rostet./ Again, thank you to the community for a robust, and generally, respectful discussion and debate on this issue. Kind regards, Kathy On 19/12/17 19:58, Linux Australia President wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Linux Australia is an incorporated association, registered in the state > of NSW, and has been in operation since around 2001. Initially convened > as a vehicle to operate linux.conf.au, the organisation's remit, > activities and scope have broadened significantly over the last decade > and a half. > > We think it's time to change the name of the organisation to > better reflect our widened mission, values, activities, partnerships and > influence. > > But wait, hasn't this been tried before? > > Yes. In 2012/2013, the Linux Australia Council, led then by John > Ferlito, attempted a name change. Consensus could not be reached on a > name to change *to*, and so Linux Australia remained Linux Australia. > > This time, we're learning from the outcome of that process, and would > like to present to you a decision: > > Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia (Yes/No) > > Other aspects of the organisation - constitution, makeup and so on, are > not proposed to be changed. > > We're communicating this now to provide the community with time to > discuss this proposed change before the AGM, where the resolution will > be tabled in the AGM agenda. The result of the vote will be tabled > at the AGM. That is, if the majority vote 'No', we won't change the > name. If the majority vote 'Yes', we will. > > If you are a member of Linux Australia, you will be able to vote on this > resolution at: > > https://www.linux.org.au/membership/index.php?page=view-election&id=25 > > Voting will open 25th December 2017, the same time voting opens for > Council Elections, and will close on 21 January, the same time voting > closes for Council Elections. > > Let the discussion begin. > > Kind regards, > > Kathy > -- Kathy Reid President Linux Australia 0418 130 636 president at linux.org.au http://linux.org.au Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keltoiboy at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 08:31:35 2017 From: keltoiboy at gmail.com (Michael .) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:31:35 -0000 Subject: [Media] [Announce] Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia? In-Reply-To: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> References: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> Message-ID: On 19/12/2017, Linux Australia President wrote: > Hi everyone, snip > We think it's time to change the name of the organisation to > better reflect our widened mission, values, activities, partnerships and > influence. snip > Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia (Yes/No) snip > Let the discussion begin. Hi everyone I received this email the other day and I have been thinking about it a bit and have decided to join the "discussion" regarding this issue. I, personally, think this may be a good idea but I wonder about the practicalities of it. For instance if the name gets changed to Open Source Australia will you promote other OSs such as the BSDs as much as you promote Linux or will your main focus be Linux (and associated applications)? If the main focus remains Linux and its associated applications then, to me, the name change will serve no useful purpose. If the name change will bring about a true focus on all Open Source activity including the BSDs and not just Linux and its associated applications then I am all for it. Cheers. Michael Findlay. From mkaan at abdcomputers.net Fri Dec 22 09:21:16 2017 From: mkaan at abdcomputers.net (Moe Kaan - ABD Computer Installations) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 22:21:16 -0000 Subject: [Media] [Linux-aus] Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia? In-Reply-To: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> References: <5850b2ee-35f8-131a-b8ba-0bb32e4fab5a@linux.org.au> Message-ID: <04e5090be0b09ae4787a31b575d16a4d.squirrel@abdcomputers.net> Season Greetings Everyone, :) I'll be voting "YeS" - reason being, Opensource is not only our industry but it is our entire advocacy . We are considerably bigger advocates of Opensource on a whole than we are Linux specifically. Whilst Linux brings us through the door to Gimp, Firefox, Gnome, Gnumeric , Samba , foo, bar /var, /usr, and /etc. We have a duty to the entire advocacy rather than a single project. By broadening our scope we lower the divide and allow more in. That's my vision or as Craige says "3 cents worth". Have a nice evening all :) - Moe Kaan - On Tue, December 19, 2017 7:58 pm, Linux Australia President via linux-aus wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > Linux Australia is an incorporated association, registered in the state > of NSW, and has been in operation since around 2001. Initially convened as > a vehicle to operate linux.conf.au, the organisation's remit, activities > and scope have broadened significantly over the last decade and a half. > > We think it's time to change the name of the organisation to > better reflect our widened mission, values, activities, partnerships and > influence. > > But wait, hasn't this been tried before? > > > Yes. In 2012/2013, the Linux Australia Council, led then by John > Ferlito, attempted a name change. Consensus could not be reached on a > name to change *to*, and so Linux Australia remained Linux Australia. > > This time, we're learning from the outcome of that process, and would > like to present to you a decision: > > Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia (Yes/No) > > > Other aspects of the organisation - constitution, makeup and so on, are > not proposed to be changed. > > We're communicating this now to provide the community with time to > discuss this proposed change before the AGM, where the resolution will be > tabled in the AGM agenda. The result of the vote will be tabled at the > AGM. That is, if the majority vote 'No', we won't change the > name. If the majority vote 'Yes', we will. > > If you are a member of Linux Australia, you will be able to vote on this > resolution at: > > https://www.linux.org.au/membership/index.php?page=view-election&id=25 > > > Voting will open 25th December 2017, the same time voting opens for > Council Elections, and will close on 21 January, the same time voting > closes for Council Elections. > > Let the discussion begin. > > > Kind regards, > > > Kathy > > > -- > Kathy Reid > President > Linux Australia > > > 0418 130 636 > > > president at linux.org.au http://linux.org.au > > > Linux Australia Inc > GPO Box 4788 > Sydney NSW 2001 > Australia > > > ABN 56 987 117 479 > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > > -- Moe Kaan Senior Engineer ABD Computer Installations W: www.abdcomputers.net E: admin at abdcomputers.net P: 0408 867 967 From qyalexwen at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 09:48:42 2017 From: qyalexwen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?5rip5Yqb6Iiq?=) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:48:42 -0000 Subject: [Media] NAPLAN should accept Linux and open source software Message-ID: Dear president, My son will go to Year 7 school. I found that the device they accept in NAPLAN includes only Windows 10 and Mac, but not Linux. Linux and Open Source software are very good and suitable for educational purpose, and they are as powerful, or even more, than Windows and Mac. Thus they should be included in Naplan. Can we work towards that ? And IMHO, Open Source software should be promoted in schools, too. Thanks. Alex Wen On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, Linux Australia President < president at linux.org.au> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Linux Australia is an incorporated association, registered in the state > of NSW, and has been in operation since around 2001. Initially convened > as a vehicle to operate linux.conf.au, the organisation's remit, > activities and scope have broadened significantly over the last decade > and a half. > > We think it's time to change the name of the organisation to > better reflect our widened mission, values, activities, partnerships and > influence. > > But wait, hasn't this been tried before? > > Yes. In 2012/2013, the Linux Australia Council, led then by John > Ferlito, attempted a name change. Consensus could not be reached on a > name to change *to*, and so Linux Australia remained Linux Australia. > > This time, we're learning from the outcome of that process, and would > like to present to you a decision: > > Should Linux Australia change its name to Open Source Australia (Yes/No) > > Other aspects of the organisation - constitution, makeup and so on, are > not proposed to be changed. > > We're communicating this now to provide the community with time to > discuss this proposed change before the AGM, where the resolution will > be tabled in the AGM agenda. The result of the vote will be tabled > at the AGM. That is, if the majority vote 'No', we won't change the > name. If the majority vote 'Yes', we will. > > If you are a member of Linux Australia, you will be able to vote on this > resolution at: > > https://www.linux.org.au/membership/index.php?page=view-election&id=25 > > Voting will open 25th December 2017, the same time voting opens for > Council Elections, and will close on 21 January, the same time voting > closes for Council Elections. > > Let the discussion begin. > > Kind regards, > > Kathy > > -- > Kathy Reid > President > Linux Australia > > 0418 130 636 > > president at linux.org.au > http://linux.org.au > > Linux Australia Inc > GPO Box 4788 > Sydney NSW 2001 > Australia > > ABN 56 987 117 479 > > _______________________________________________ > announce mailing list > announce at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/announce > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: