Hi,<br>Herewith, edited log of the IRC meeting last night. Enjoy!<br>If you're not already signed up for the LUG Mailing list, get to it: <a href="http://lugcomms-at-lists.linux.org.au">lugcomms-at-lists.linux.org.au</a><br clear="all">
<br><br>**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 30 19:57:34 2009<br>19:57:34 * Now talking on #linux-aus-lugs<br>19:57:34 * Topic for #linux-aus-lugs is: Next Meeting: Tue 28 Apr - WA 18:00 - SA 19:30 - East Coast 20:00 - Wellington 22:00 - UTC 10:00am | Are you on the mailing list? <a href="http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lugcomms">http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lugcomms</a><br>
19:57:34 * Topic for #linux-aus-lugs set by KatteKrab at Wed Apr 22 15:33:40 2009<br>19:58:51 <donak> boo!<br>20:00:03 <PaulWay> yay!<br><snip><br>20:01:44 <yama> first meeting I've made in ages<br>
20:01:59 <donak> hi Sridhar, how's the sunny climes of Sydney?<br>20:02:10 <PaulWay> My pounce-meeting techniques are improving.<br>20:02:30 <yama> donak: not spectacularly sunny<br>20:02:37 <yama> but not bad really<br>
20:03:18 <donak> at least you're not in Melbourne :-) ... they had wind gusts up to 110km/hour today<br>20:04:06 <PaulWay> Mmmm - heading our way too...<br>20:04:37 <donak> Don Knowles, Rockhampton, Queensland ... Central Queensland LUG ... just by the way of intros<br>
<snip><br>20:05:32 <PaulWay> Paul Wayper, Canberra - CLUG.<br>20:06:22 <PaulWay> The password for the gobby session is this channel name without the hash<br>20:06:31 * elky is here, but is hunting dinner<br>
20:07:16 <donak> umm, "host not found"<br>20:07:34 <donak> hi elky <br><snip><br>20:13:47 <elky> how about we go through the meeting motions regardless of gobby?<br>20:13:54 <PaulWay> Sure.<br>
20:13:55 * jhesketh_ <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>20:13:56 <PaulWay> So what's everyone been up to?<br>20:14:01 <PaulWay> Yay - jhesketh_ !<br>20:14:23 <PaulWay> There is a Tridgell!<br>
20:14:30 <donak> hi jhesketh_ <br><snip><br>20:19:44 <jhesketh_> hey guys<br>20:19:54 <jhesketh_> is it meeting night?<br>20:20:17 <donak> it is<br>20:20:29 <elky> it is supposed to be, but it's currently 'mourning over paul's obby server' hour ;)<br>
20:20:34 <donak> we're trying to get Gobby going, but it's being difficult<br>20:20:45 <jhesketh_> ah ok<br>20:20:56 <jhesketh_> well.. cool!... good thing I knew and came :P<br>20:21:24 * jhesketh_ is now known as jhesketh<br>
20:21:32 <donak> PaulWay, how about we take the easy way out, i'll edit and send IRC log?<br><snip><br>20:21:41 <PaulWay> Sounds fine to me...! {Editors note: this way I get to blame him!}<br><snip><br>
20:23:51 <PaulWay> We had the talk I would have loved to go to while I was up in Sydney - a guy who bought a cheap laser engraver and made an arduino board to control it.<br>20:24:11 <donak> so, anyone got any topics they want to bring up?<br>
20:24:51 <jhesketh> Perhaps promotion of the LCA2010 CFP's within LUGs, FSD + Other?<br>20:25:33 <elky> osdc paper submissions close tonight. if you want in, you should probably panic now<br>20:25:40 <PaulWay> Yeah, we're doing that.<br>
20:25:45 <PaulWay> *sigh* osdc...<br>20:25:50 * dns53 <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>20:26:06 <elky> why sigh?<br>20:26:16 <donak> how many other organisations does it get circulated in? sys admins, unix groups?<br>
20:26:21 <PaulWay> I can't think of anything good to talk about for OSDC and I don't want to regurgitate the same talk I did last year.<br><snip><br>20:28:32 <elky> well, it's easy to forget since the LCA one lacks the paper side of things<br>
20:28:32 <PaulWay> Sadly (in my opinion) there are a few people who go to various conferences each year (including LCA) and just do the "here's where I am with the project that I've been doing for the last five years" talk...<br>
20:29:22 <elky> what's sadder is that those talks are sometimes full of eager listeners<br><snip><br>20:30:03 <donak> I guess it depends on who wants the outcome of that project<br>20:30:44 <PaulWay> aaahghghghghghgh - stupid NFS!<br>
20:30:51 <donak> I"m in!<br>20:31:32 <yama> password?<br>20:31:42 <PaulWay> same as the channel name but without the hash<br>20:31:51 <PaulWay> Sorry, server died on it.<br>20:33:14 <elky> i wondered, but didn't want to patronise with such a suggestion :-/<br>
20:33:23 <PaulWay> elky: the problem is that I love Jon Corbet's updates on where the kernel's up to, and Tridge's updates on SaMBa.<br>20:33:42 <PaulWay> elky: that's kind of you - it's been a rather hectic evening.<br>
20:34:10 <PaulWay> I've just got the accursed NFS working on my mythtv server so Kate can watch TV - yay ssh.<br>20:34:29 <PaulWay> If anyone knows how to turn off the NFS-randomly-lose option, I'd love to hear it.<br>
20:34:31 <donak> do you want to go back to my original suggestion ... I'll dig the "kernel" out of the logs and circulate via the mailing lists?<br>20:34:39 <PaulWay> Anyway. OSDC talks.<br>
20:34:45 <PaulWay> donak: do that - that's for the list.<br>20:34:51 <donak> OK<br>20:34:53 <PaulWay> LCA talks - I have one lined up.<br>20:35:08 <PaulWay> Putting puppet and nagios together for great justice.<br>
20:36:22 <elky> my osdc submission is titled 'cultivating codeless contributors'. not sure what to suggest for LCA yet<br>20:37:20 <PaulWay> Nice alliteration.<br>20:37:43 * caprajax_ <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>
20:37:50 <donak> hi caprajax_ <br>20:37:55 <elky> i thought so too. i wanted to go with 'getting groupies' but it lacked the jazz<br>20:38:00 <caprajax_> hi donak<br>20:38:25 <donak> we've just about got 'em outnumbered Jack :-0<br>
20:38:55 <donak> caprajax_, talonz and I are all from Central Qld<br>20:39:00 <caprajax_> we may be small but we're good!!<br>20:39:07 <elky> it also gives a nice 'theme' to tie the talk together<br>
20:40:24 <PaulWay> donak: awesome!<br>20:40:25 <donak> elky, don't know if I'm being rude, but my imagination dropped the word "clueless" in the mix ... would other professional coders tend in that direction?<br>
20:40:31 <PaulWay> caprajax_: good team.<br>20:40:36 <elky> donak, 'codeless'<br>20:40:50 <elky> oh, i read you right now<br>20:41:01 <elky> i dunno if they would. that's their fault if they do :P<br>
20:41:09 <donak> I guess I'm asking for the "short version" of the talk :-)<br>20:41:28 <elky> you want to see the abstract?<br>20:41:58 <donak> probably be meaningless to me, just a few words of explanation would be a hint as to the meaning<br>
20:42:29 <PaulWay> donak: read it - you might be surprised :-)<br>20:42:58 <donak> I got into desktop Linux all on my own, then got tired of having nobody to talk to about Linux ... and found a handful to from CQLUG<br>
20:43:19 <donak> I'm not a coder, and probably will never be<br>20:43:25 <elky> donak, basically getting the non-coding type of contributions. documentation, artwork, infrastructure, support, etc<br>
20:43:35 <donak> OK, gotcha<br>20:44:18 <donak> that should have been "to form CQLUG"<br>20:44:45 <donak> PaulWay, you want to give us a 1 or 2 sentence rundown on yours?<br>20:44:51 <PaulWay> Best way to start a group.,<br>
20:45:52 <donak> DIY?<br>20:46:04 <PaulWay> Puppet is a system for sending out configuration to servers; Nagios is a monitoring system.<br>20:46:43 <donak> so : send out the settings, then check it worked?<br>
20:47:23 <PaulWay> Making Puppet set up the Nagios configuration for a bunch of servers is a good combination.<br>20:47:36 <PaulWay> Send out the configuration so we can monitor them automatically.<br>20:54:11 <PaulWay> Anyone else planning on talks for LCA or OSDC?<br>
20:54:30 <PaulWay> Or the kernel conference in Brisbane - what was that called?<br>20:55:16 <elky> plumbers?<br>20:55:36 <PaulWay> Yeah, that's the one.<br>20:55:40 <PaulWay> No.<br>
20:55:51 <PaulWay> Sorry, LPC is in Portland, isn't it?<br>20:55:59 <elky> dunno<br>20:56:26 <jhesketh> I think it's Kernel Conference Australia (KCA)<br>20:56:40 <PaulWay> Sounds right.<br>
20:56:54 <jhesketh> <a href="http://au.sun.com/sunnews/events/2009/kernel/index.jsp">http://au.sun.com/sunnews/events/2009/kernel/index.jsp</a><br>20:56:59 <PaulWay> Yeah.<br>20:58:22 <PaulWay> donak: by "best way to start a group" I meant "by finding people who you want to associate with and who have something in common".<br>
21:01:07 <donak> I figured it was the only way I was going to "find one" ... make my own, since there didn't seem to be a LUG between Sunshine Coast (just north of Brisbane) and Townsville<br>21:01:19 <PaulWay> *nods*<br>
21:02:06 <donak> we had a subscriber to our mailing list from a town near Bundaberg for a while ... about 400 km south of here<br>21:03:37 <donak> I got lucky, the 2nd person I talked to was a founding member of Humbug, now resident here<br>
21:04:41 <donak> one of the things we discussed at our meeting last Saturday, was the idea of a website, since one of our number wants to circulate something to drag in more members ...<br>21:05:03 <donak> have you had any time to look at the "club in a box" we discussed last month Paul?<br>
21:05:15 <PaulWay> Hahaha - sadly, no.<br>21:05:29 <donak> I think the two blokes who discussed it the most are going to go look for a site, and build it<br>21:05:40 <PaulWay> I've just redone our website - <a href="http://clug.org.au">http://clug.org.au</a> is now vaguely up-to-date.<br>
21:06:51 * Jiko <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>21:06:56 <Jiko> evening.<br>21:07:06 <PaulWay> My recommendation - make something that is easy to maintain.<br>21:07:09 <PaulWay> Hi Jiko.<br>
21:07:51 <donak> Jiko is one of us too, now we have you all surrounded :-)<br>21:08:07 <donak> and one of the discussers of a website<br>21:08:48 <PaulWay> Aiee!<br>21:10:35 <PaulWay> Seriously, what has mattered for our website is:<br>
21:10:57 * dns53 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))<br>21:10:58 <PaulWay> a) simple HTML - no wordpress, no wikis. It suits the technical people.<br>21:11:12 <PaulWay> b) XHTML 1.0 and CSS 3.0 compliance<br>
21:11:22 <PaulWay> c) accurate up-to-date information.<br>21:11:44 <Jiko> actually, HUMBUG has recently moved their website to a wiki<br>21:11:46 <PaulWay> <a href="http://clug.org.au">http://clug.org.au</a> is the current page.<br>
21:12:29 <donak> Jiko is also the "man from Humbug" I mentioned earlier (in the context of 2nd person I talked to about a LUG)<br>21:12:55 <PaulWay> I'm all for wikis myself, but we have to work with the server software we've got.<br>
21:13:14 <Jiko> PaulWay: I don't think we particularly care, it'd just be useful to have a place we can dump some info<br>21:13:17 <PaulWay> And there's a very strong feeling (at least for now) amongst CLUGgers that the web page should load fast and be presentable with a minimum of server effort.<br>
21:13:26 <Jiko> PaulWay: so we can point people at it as a reference point<br>21:13:44 <PaulWay> To give you an idea of where we're at from a 'who does what' perspective:<br>21:14:19 <donak> PaulWay, how much room can we use on Linux Australias website? short term solution would be to put a couple of paragraphs on the "FOSS in Australia : LUG" page<br>
21:14:31 <PaulWay> We have tonyb and sjh as sysadmins, with evil_steve doing some other unspecified role.<br>21:15:25 <PaulWay> The <a href="http://clug.andrew.net.au">clug.andrew.net.au</a> site that runs the 'lug-in-a-box' script that we sends out meeting announcements is run by Caesar.<br>
21:16:13 <PaulWay> And bob, another guy who runs the CSIT department at ANU and therefore gives us access to the room and the bandwidth, influences the way everything's run even though IRC is too new-school for him :-)<br>
<snip><br>21:20:35 <PaulWay> Originally the site mentioned Andrew Tridgell and Steve Walsh as contacts for the CLUG - Tridge famously skims most of his email, and Steve passes on what he gets to me but he's down in Melbourne now.<br>
21:21:13 <PaulWay> I mention all this to make the point that having systems where you're relying on one person to run the server / wordpress / whatever system leads to fracturing over time.<br>21:22:04 <donak> you're not alone there, just yesterday I found a 4 day old email in a gmail account I set up for the LUG that is now outdated ... we are no longer "RockLUG"<br>
21:22:18 <PaulWay> Heh...<br>21:22:35 <PaulWay> I've got a phone call to go to, peoples - thanks for the meeting / chat / thing.<br>21:22:45 <donak> cya another time<br>21:23:07 <talonz> that was the meeting ?<br>
21:23:31 <donak> that was all she wrote ... usual organizer wasn't present, so we had to roll our own<br>21:30:20 <donak> I'd say we can draw a line under it, unless anyone can think of anything else?<br>
21:30:39 <Jiko> sounds like a goer<br>21:31:25 * donak taps quill pen on lectern ... once, twice ... th, th, that's all folks<br>21:31:48 * gorilla <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>21:31:55 <donak> timing<br>
21:32:05 <donak> hi gorilla you've just missed all the fun<br>21:32:14 * Jiko <snip> has left #linux-aus-lugs<br>21:32:36 <donak> which LUG are you from?<br>21:32:52 <gorilla> never mind.. just found out about it. I'm a mlug member in melbourne.<br>
21:33:24 <donak> cool, well if you're on the mailing list, I'm going to send a synopsis of the meet ...<br>21:33:49 <gorilla> I can get the synopsis from the archive anyway.<br>21:33:55 <donak> I might send it to Linux Aus mailing list too, since there were no screams of horror when I suggested it<br>
21:34:18 <donak> archive? as in Chanserv log?<br>21:35:30 <gorilla> I meant for the mail archive. But yes, I just registered.<br>21:35:45 <donak> ok<br>21:35:57 * HP_T5720 <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>
21:36:22 <donak> hi HP_T5720 you've just missed all the fun<br>21:37:03 <HP_T5720> hi donak, what happened?<br>21:37:28 <donak> not too much, if you're on the mailing list I'm sending a synopsis<br>
21:37:43 <donak> hopefully I can cut out the drivel, starting with my own<br>21:37:47 <PaulWay> donak: sending a copy to the linux aus list is a great idea.<br>21:38:07 <donak> Roger, Willco ... end of phone convesation PaulWay ?<br>
21:38:26 <HP_T5720> OK. I'll collect my emails in a little while and have a look, you mean the LUV list, yes?<br>21:38:43 <donak> nope, see topic here my friend<br>21:39:01 <HP_T5720> hmm, not on that list. :-(<br>
21:39:26 <donak> sign up then! we need all the involved people we can get :-)<br>21:39:40 <HP_T5720> OK. will do then.<br><snip><br>**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 30 21:45:25 2009<br>-- <br>Don Knowles<br>
Rockhampton, AUSTRALIA<br>