[Lugcomms] Synopsis of LUG IRC meeting 30 June
Donna Benjamin
donna at cc.com.au
Thu Jul 2 14:57:05 EST 2009
Yay! Thanks for posting the log Don.
And thanks for hosting the meeting Paul !
And thanks to everyone for contributing.
I'm going to have to step down as convenor of LUGCOMMS / linux-aus-lugs
- I've just got too much going on right now - but I'm confident we've
got enough momentum going now to keep it rolling along.
cheers
Donna
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 01:07 +1000, Don Knowles wrote:
> Hi,
> Herewith, edited log of the IRC meeting last night. Enjoy!
> If you're not already signed up for the LUG Mailing list, get to it:
> lugcomms-at-lists.linux.org.au
>
>
> **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 30 19:57:34 2009
> 19:57:34 * Now talking on #linux-aus-lugs
> 19:57:34 * Topic for #linux-aus-lugs is: Next Meeting: Tue 28 Apr -
> WA 18:00 - SA 19:30 - East Coast 20:00 - Wellington 22:00 - UTC
> 10:00am | Are you on the mailing list?
> http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lugcomms
> 19:57:34 * Topic for #linux-aus-lugs set by KatteKrab at Wed Apr 22
> 15:33:40 2009
> 19:58:51 <donak> boo!
> 20:00:03 <PaulWay> yay!
> <snip>
> 20:01:44 <yama> first meeting I've made in ages
> 20:01:59 <donak> hi Sridhar, how's the sunny climes of Sydney?
> 20:02:10 <PaulWay> My pounce-meeting techniques are improving.
> 20:02:30 <yama> donak: not spectacularly sunny
> 20:02:37 <yama> but not bad really
> 20:03:18 <donak> at least you're not in Melbourne :-) ... they had
> wind gusts up to 110km/hour today
> 20:04:06 <PaulWay> Mmmm - heading our way too...
> 20:04:37 <donak> Don Knowles, Rockhampton, Queensland ... Central
> Queensland LUG ... just by the way of intros
> <snip>
> 20:05:32 <PaulWay> Paul Wayper, Canberra - CLUG.
> 20:06:22 <PaulWay> The password for the gobby session is this
> channel name without the hash
> 20:06:31 * elky is here, but is hunting dinner
> 20:07:16 <donak> umm, "host not found"
> 20:07:34 <donak> hi elky
> <snip>
> 20:13:47 <elky> how about we go through the meeting motions
> regardless of gobby?
> 20:13:54 <PaulWay> Sure.
> 20:13:55 * jhesketh_ <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs
> 20:13:56 <PaulWay> So what's everyone been up to?
> 20:14:01 <PaulWay> Yay - jhesketh_ !
> 20:14:23 <PaulWay> There is a Tridgell!
> 20:14:30 <donak> hi jhesketh_
> <snip>
> 20:19:44 <jhesketh_> hey guys
> 20:19:54 <jhesketh_> is it meeting night?
> 20:20:17 <donak> it is
> 20:20:29 <elky> it is supposed to be, but it's currently 'mourning
> over paul's obby server' hour ;)
> 20:20:34 <donak> we're trying to get Gobby going, but it's being
> difficult
> 20:20:45 <jhesketh_> ah ok
> 20:20:56 <jhesketh_> well.. cool!... good thing I knew and came :P
> 20:21:24 * jhesketh_ is now known as jhesketh
> 20:21:32 <donak> PaulWay, how about we take the easy way out, i'll
> edit and send IRC log?
> <snip>
> 20:21:41 <PaulWay> Sounds fine to me...! {Editors note: this way I
> get to blame him!}
> <snip>
> 20:23:51 <PaulWay> We had the talk I would have loved to go to
> while I was up in Sydney - a guy who bought a cheap laser engraver and
> made an arduino board to control it.
> 20:24:11 <donak> so, anyone got any topics they want to bring up?
> 20:24:51 <jhesketh> Perhaps promotion of the LCA2010 CFP's within
> LUGs, FSD + Other?
> 20:25:33 <elky> osdc paper submissions close tonight. if you want
> in, you should probably panic now
> 20:25:40 <PaulWay> Yeah, we're doing that.
> 20:25:45 <PaulWay> *sigh* osdc...
> 20:25:50 * dns53 <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs
> 20:26:06 <elky> why sigh?
> 20:26:16 <donak> how many other organisations does it get
> circulated in? sys admins, unix groups?
> 20:26:21 <PaulWay> I can't think of anything good to talk about for
> OSDC and I don't want to regurgitate the same talk I did last year.
> <snip>
> 20:28:32 <elky> well, it's easy to forget since the LCA one lacks
> the paper side of things
> 20:28:32 <PaulWay> Sadly (in my opinion) there are a few people who
> go to various conferences each year (including LCA) and just do the
> "here's where I am with the project that I've been doing for the last
> five years" talk...
> 20:29:22 <elky> what's sadder is that those talks are sometimes
> full of eager listeners
> <snip>
> 20:30:03 <donak> I guess it depends on who wants the outcome of
> that project
> 20:30:44 <PaulWay> aaahghghghghghgh - stupid NFS!
> 20:30:51 <donak> I"m in!
> 20:31:32 <yama> password?
> 20:31:42 <PaulWay> same as the channel name but without the hash
> 20:31:51 <PaulWay> Sorry, server died on it.
> 20:33:14 <elky> i wondered, but didn't want to patronise with such
> a suggestion :-/
> 20:33:23 <PaulWay> elky: the problem is that I love Jon Corbet's
> updates on where the kernel's up to, and Tridge's updates on SaMBa.
> 20:33:42 <PaulWay> elky: that's kind of you - it's been a rather
> hectic evening.
> 20:34:10 <PaulWay> I've just got the accursed NFS working on my
> mythtv server so Kate can watch TV - yay ssh.
> 20:34:29 <PaulWay> If anyone knows how to turn off the
> NFS-randomly-lose option, I'd love to hear it.
> 20:34:31 <donak> do you want to go back to my original
> suggestion ... I'll dig the "kernel" out of the logs and circulate via
> the mailing lists?
> 20:34:39 <PaulWay> Anyway. OSDC talks.
> 20:34:45 <PaulWay> donak: do that - that's for the list.
> 20:34:51 <donak> OK
> 20:34:53 <PaulWay> LCA talks - I have one lined up.
> 20:35:08 <PaulWay> Putting puppet and nagios together for great
> justice.
> 20:36:22 <elky> my osdc submission is titled 'cultivating codeless
> contributors'. not sure what to suggest for LCA yet
> 20:37:20 <PaulWay> Nice alliteration.
> 20:37:43 * caprajax_ <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs
> 20:37:50 <donak> hi caprajax_
> 20:37:55 <elky> i thought so too. i wanted to go with 'getting
> groupies' but it lacked the jazz
> 20:38:00 <caprajax_> hi donak
> 20:38:25 <donak> we've just about got 'em outnumbered Jack :-0
> 20:38:55 <donak> caprajax_, talonz and I are all from Central Qld
> 20:39:00 <caprajax_> we may be small but we're good!!
> 20:39:07 <elky> it also gives a nice 'theme' to tie the talk
> together
> 20:40:24 <PaulWay> donak: awesome!
> 20:40:25 <donak> elky, don't know if I'm being rude, but my
> imagination dropped the word "clueless" in the mix ... would other
> professional coders tend in that direction?
> 20:40:31 <PaulWay> caprajax_: good team.
> 20:40:36 <elky> donak, 'codeless'
> 20:40:50 <elky> oh, i read you right now
> 20:41:01 <elky> i dunno if they would. that's their fault if they
> do :P
> 20:41:09 <donak> I guess I'm asking for the "short version" of the
> talk :-)
> 20:41:28 <elky> you want to see the abstract?
> 20:41:58 <donak> probably be meaningless to me, just a few words of
> explanation would be a hint as to the meaning
> 20:42:29 <PaulWay> donak: read it - you might be surprised :-)
> 20:42:58 <donak> I got into desktop Linux all on my own, then got
> tired of having nobody to talk to about Linux ... and found a handful
> to from CQLUG
> 20:43:19 <donak> I'm not a coder, and probably will never be
> 20:43:25 <elky> donak, basically getting the non-coding type of
> contributions. documentation, artwork, infrastructure, support, etc
> 20:43:35 <donak> OK, gotcha
> 20:44:18 <donak> that should have been "to form CQLUG"
> 20:44:45 <donak> PaulWay, you want to give us a 1 or 2 sentence
> rundown on yours?
> 20:44:51 <PaulWay> Best way to start a group.,
> 20:45:52 <donak> DIY?
> 20:46:04 <PaulWay> Puppet is a system for sending out configuration
> to servers; Nagios is a monitoring system.
> 20:46:43 <donak> so : send out the settings, then check it worked?
> 20:47:23 <PaulWay> Making Puppet set up the Nagios configuration
> for a bunch of servers is a good combination.
> 20:47:36 <PaulWay> Send out the configuration so we can monitor
> them automatically.
> 20:54:11 <PaulWay> Anyone else planning on talks for LCA or OSDC?
> 20:54:30 <PaulWay> Or the kernel conference in Brisbane - what was
> that called?
> 20:55:16 <elky> plumbers?
> 20:55:36 <PaulWay> Yeah, that's the one.
> 20:55:40 <PaulWay> No.
> 20:55:51 <PaulWay> Sorry, LPC is in Portland, isn't it?
> 20:55:59 <elky> dunno
> 20:56:26 <jhesketh> I think it's Kernel Conference Australia (KCA)
> 20:56:40 <PaulWay> Sounds right.
> 20:56:54 <jhesketh>
> http://au.sun.com/sunnews/events/2009/kernel/index.jsp
> 20:56:59 <PaulWay> Yeah.
> 20:58:22 <PaulWay> donak: by "best way to start a group" I meant
> "by finding people who you want to associate with and who have
> something in common".
> 21:01:07 <donak> I figured it was the only way I was going to "find
> one" ... make my own, since there didn't seem to be a LUG between
> Sunshine Coast (just north of Brisbane) and Townsville
> 21:01:19 <PaulWay> *nods*
> 21:02:06 <donak> we had a subscriber to our mailing list from a
> town near Bundaberg for a while ... about 400 km south of here
> 21:03:37 <donak> I got lucky, the 2nd person I talked to was a
> founding member of Humbug, now resident here
> 21:04:41 <donak> one of the things we discussed at our meeting last
> Saturday, was the idea of a website, since one of our number wants to
> circulate something to drag in more members ...
> 21:05:03 <donak> have you had any time to look at the "club in a
> box" we discussed last month Paul?
> 21:05:15 <PaulWay> Hahaha - sadly, no.
> 21:05:29 <donak> I think the two blokes who discussed it the most
> are going to go look for a site, and build it
> 21:05:40 <PaulWay> I've just redone our website -
> http://clug.org.au is now vaguely up-to-date.
> 21:06:51 * Jiko <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs
> 21:06:56 <Jiko> evening.
> 21:07:06 <PaulWay> My recommendation - make something that is easy
> to maintain.
> 21:07:09 <PaulWay> Hi Jiko.
> 21:07:51 <donak> Jiko is one of us too, now we have you all
> surrounded :-)
> 21:08:07 <donak> and one of the discussers of a website
> 21:08:48 <PaulWay> Aiee!
> 21:10:35 <PaulWay> Seriously, what has mattered for our website is:
> 21:10:57 * dns53 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
> 21:10:58 <PaulWay> a) simple HTML - no wordpress, no wikis. It
> suits the technical people.
> 21:11:12 <PaulWay> b) XHTML 1.0 and CSS 3.0 compliance
> 21:11:22 <PaulWay> c) accurate up-to-date information.
> 21:11:44 <Jiko> actually, HUMBUG has recently moved their website
> to a wiki
> 21:11:46 <PaulWay> http://clug.org.au is the current page.
> 21:12:29 <donak> Jiko is also the "man from Humbug" I mentioned
> earlier (in the context of 2nd person I talked to about a LUG)
> 21:12:55 <PaulWay> I'm all for wikis myself, but we have to work
> with the server software we've got.
> 21:13:14 <Jiko> PaulWay: I don't think we particularly care, it'd
> just be useful to have a place we can dump some info
> 21:13:17 <PaulWay> And there's a very strong feeling (at least for
> now) amongst CLUGgers that the web page should load fast and be
> presentable with a minimum of server effort.
> 21:13:26 <Jiko> PaulWay: so we can point people at it as a
> reference point
> 21:13:44 <PaulWay> To give you an idea of where we're at from a
> 'who does what' perspective:
> 21:14:19 <donak> PaulWay, how much room can we use on Linux
> Australias website? short term solution would be to put a couple of
> paragraphs on the "FOSS in Australia : LUG" page
> 21:14:31 <PaulWay> We have tonyb and sjh as sysadmins, with
> evil_steve doing some other unspecified role.
> 21:15:25 <PaulWay> The clug.andrew.net.au site that runs the
> 'lug-in-a-box' script that we sends out meeting announcements is run
> by Caesar.
> 21:16:13 <PaulWay> And bob, another guy who runs the CSIT
> department at ANU and therefore gives us access to the room and the
> bandwidth, influences the way everything's run even though IRC is too
> new-school for him :-)
> <snip>
> 21:20:35 <PaulWay> Originally the site mentioned Andrew Tridgell
> and Steve Walsh as contacts for the CLUG - Tridge famously skims most
> of his email, and Steve passes on what he gets to me but he's down in
> Melbourne now.
> 21:21:13 <PaulWay> I mention all this to make the point that having
> systems where you're relying on one person to run the server /
> wordpress / whatever system leads to fracturing over time.
> 21:22:04 <donak> you're not alone there, just yesterday I found a 4
> day old email in a gmail account I set up for the LUG that is now
> outdated ... we are no longer "RockLUG"
> 21:22:18 <PaulWay> Heh...
> 21:22:35 <PaulWay> I've got a phone call to go to, peoples - thanks
> for the meeting / chat / thing.
> 21:22:45 <donak> cya another time
> 21:23:07 <talonz> that was the meeting ?
> 21:23:31 <donak> that was all she wrote ... usual organizer wasn't
> present, so we had to roll our own
> 21:30:20 <donak> I'd say we can draw a line under it, unless anyone
> can think of anything else?
> 21:30:39 <Jiko> sounds like a goer
> 21:31:25 * donak taps quill pen on lectern ... once, twice ... th,
> th, that's all folks
> 21:31:48 * gorilla <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs
> 21:31:55 <donak> timing
> 21:32:05 <donak> hi gorilla you've just missed all the fun
> 21:32:14 * Jiko <snip> has left #linux-aus-lugs
> 21:32:36 <donak> which LUG are you from?
> 21:32:52 <gorilla> never mind.. just found out about it. I'm a mlug
> member in melbourne.
> 21:33:24 <donak> cool, well if you're on the mailing list, I'm
> going to send a synopsis of the meet ...
> 21:33:49 <gorilla> I can get the synopsis from the archive anyway.
> 21:33:55 <donak> I might send it to Linux Aus mailing list too,
> since there were no screams of horror when I suggested it
> 21:34:18 <donak> archive? as in Chanserv log?
> 21:35:30 <gorilla> I meant for the mail archive. But yes, I just
> registered.
> 21:35:45 <donak> ok
> 21:35:57 * HP_T5720 <snip> has joined #linux-aus-lugs
> 21:36:22 <donak> hi HP_T5720 you've just missed all the fun
> 21:37:03 <HP_T5720> hi donak, what happened?
> 21:37:28 <donak> not too much, if you're on the mailing list I'm
> sending a synopsis
> 21:37:43 <donak> hopefully I can cut out the drivel, starting with
> my own
> 21:37:47 <PaulWay> donak: sending a copy to the linux aus list is a
> great idea.
> 21:38:07 <donak> Roger, Willco ... end of phone convesation
> PaulWay ?
> 21:38:26 <HP_T5720> OK. I'll collect my emails in a little while
> and have a look, you mean the LUV list, yes?
> 21:38:43 <donak> nope, see topic here my friend
> 21:39:01 <HP_T5720> hmm, not on that list. :-(
> 21:39:26 <donak> sign up then! we need all the involved people we
> can get :-)
> 21:39:40 <HP_T5720> OK. will do then.
> <snip>
> **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 30 21:45:25 2009
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