<div dir="ltr"><div style="color:black;background-color:transparent;font-family:sans-serif"><div style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-1x3r274" style="background-color:transparent;min-width:0px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit"><span class="gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3" style="background-color:transparent;min-width:0px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit">Can we integrate our mailing system with an agentic AI and train the AI on proper governance?</span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><br style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3 gmail-r-1x3r274" style="background-color:transparent;min-width:0px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit"><span class="gmail-css-1jxf684 gmail-r-bcqeeo gmail-r-1ttztb7 gmail-r-qvutc0 gmail-r-poiln3" style="background-color:transparent;min-width:0px;text-align:inherit;border:0px solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:inline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-kerning:inherit;font-feature-settings:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;white-space:inherit">I hope this suggestion helps.</span></span></div></div><div style="color:black;background-color:transparent;font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div style="color:black;background-color:transparent;font-family:sans-serif">Al</div><div style="color:black;background-color:transparent;font-family:sans-serif"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/albertomaclang/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/albertomaclang/</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 at 15:03, Russell Coker via linux-aus <<a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday, 3 February 2026 10:13:36 AEDT dvalin--- via linux-aus wrote:<br>
> > The main problem is that they harvested the addresses from another list<br>
> > and<br>
> > <br>
> > continually refuse to change their behaviour in that regard.<br>
> <br>
> In contrast, I'm pleased that some vestigial contact with local Linux<br>
> remains, after I was arbitrarily unsubscribed from luv-main, apparently by<br>
> some automaton, on the spurious basis of "a number of bounces".<br>
<br>
That's an ongoing issue with mailing lists. Email is Balkanised by the <br>
different choices regarding anti-spam measures. So when (not if) a mailing <br>
list passes through email that some servers (correctly or incorrectly - <br>
usually incorrectly) consider spam then people get unsubscribed.<br>
<br>
You are correct that something equivalent to luv-main is needed. In the old <br>
days there was enough mailing list traffic that having separate lists for <br>
discussing random Linux issues made sense. When you exceed a certain number <br>
of list members the number of duplicate answers due to email lag becomes <br>
excessive and the benefits of having more people to increase the probability <br>
of a good answer taper off when a certain number of people are present.<br>
<br>
Now the email traffic from all Linux users in Australia who want to discuss <br>
things on mailing lists can fit on this list. If you look through the <br>
archives of this list you will see discussions on similar topics to luv-main.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo</a><br>
<br>
A quick scan of this page suggests that the majority of lists on this server <br>
could be removed due to lack of traffic, maybe with the archives moved to an <br>
obsolete lists page.<br>
<br>
It seems that most of the discussion that used to happen on mailing lists now <br>
happens on Matrix. Have you considered getting a Matrix account?<br>
<br>
Also in the old days questions about how to install Linux etc all went to luv-<br>
main while nowadays people tend to use a web forum run by the distribution <br>
they are using.<br>
<br>
> The email address, in use for a couple of decades has received hundreds of<br>
> thousands of list mails, and continues to reliably do so. OK, the sloppy<br>
> luv chop happened back in October 2024, and the crappy system might have<br>
> been improved since. I have no way of knowing.<br>
<br>
In about 2022 I quit doing anything noteworthy in terms of LUV sysadmin and <br>
have just kept the VM ticking over ever since. For reasons that are probably <br>
similar to mine no-one else wanted to work on it.<br>
<br>
> While my reaction is "whatever", Brian's focus on fixing problems is<br>
> constructive, and more conducive to list survival as more and more go<br>
> moribund these days.<br>
<br>
Neither Brian nor anyone else in this discussion has actually focussed on <br>
fixing problems, Brian and some others have stated that it would be good to <br>
have problems fixed but have not volunteered to do it. If Brian wants to work <br>
on the LUV server he can email me his ssh public key and I'll give him root <br>
access (I've known Brian for more than 30 years and worked with him on several <br>
occasions). If you want to work on it then we can have a chat about that, the <br>
process wouldn't be as quick as it would for Brian but it's definitely an <br>
option.<br>
<br>
If Brian wants to work on the Electron Workshop stuff then I'm sure they will <br>
be happy to work with him, but AFAIK he has not volunteered for such things.<br>
<br>
Also there has not been any mention of plans for a general Linux mailing list <br>
similar to luv-main by the Electron Workshop people, just the luv-announce <br>
list.<br>
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