<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 at 15:21, Matt Cengia via linux-aus <<a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg7958182371793870962"><u></u><div><div>Hey folks,<br></div><div><br></div><div>In light of this report, what's stopping you, the reader (as opposed to a specific addressee), putting your hand up to run, or help run, a conference? In other words, is there anything that could convince you to help? Some sort of support, mentorship etc?<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'll go first: for me, my life (and career) is in a bit of flux currently, and I already have a volunteer role (as a scout leader) that takes up a fair chunk of my free time, so I currently don't have the capacity to take on more. I helped run PyConAU 2023 as their Inclusion and Welcoming coordinator, and that worked well because it was a relatively discrete role. For years, folks have suggested I should put in a bid to run an LCA, and I've no doubt I could do it from a skills perspective, but it's such a huge time commitment that it feels irresponsible to commit to given what I already have on my plate, and I'm not sure there's a good solution to reduce the commitment required by the director and core team for a conference of this size.<br></div><div><br></div><div>How about you, reader? What would need to change for *you* to say "yes" to being on the core team? Change is made by the folks who show up; wouldn't it be cool if that were you?<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm in a similar position - my life + career is in flux right now on multiple fronts, and I'm secretary of a local housing advocacy group that eats up several hours a week during peacetime and can be almost as demanding as my fulltime job during wartime (when we're trying to organise major campaigns involving a lot of meetings, public events and policy work). This has been demanding enough that I have already had to resign from another volunteer role I held in my union to stop me going crazy.</div><div><br></div><div>Like quite a few LA members I've run plenty of public events before, including being director of a small conference, so I know I could be a useful core team member, but it's really hard for me to put my hand up when I know I don't presently have the time, and my other major volunteer role is one where if I step away I don't have a successor lined up. What would need to change would be me stepping back from my other volunteering (which might happen naturally at some point in the future), or stepping back at least a day a week from my job. Unlikely to happen in 2025, unfortunately.</div><div><br></div><div>---------------</div><div><br></div><div>Now for some of my own thoughts, which I've been pondering since the first EO - which I preface by saying that these are half-baked ideas I'm writing while procrastinating my day job, I've never been on Council, the closest I've been to organising LCA/EO is being a miniconf organiser for a few years, I'm sure some more involved people who have more of a clue than me have already done some thinking about these issues, and I am well aware I am dispensing hot takes with no intention for the aforementioned reasons of stepping up to make things happen at least in the near term future.</div><div><br></div><div>I find EO valuable, as it's the only open source conference in Australasia broad enough to encompass my work as a kernel developer and related interests at the OS layer (yes, I am one of those people who cared about LCA specifically for the Linux more than the other open source stuff). Unfortunately EO is a bit less valuable for my purposes than LCA used to be - we no longer get the reasonably-sized group of overseas kernel community visitors, perhaps partly because of the loss of miniconfs but also the general disruption of the COVID years didn't help. I suspect (noting that I have not been personally involved in any of these conferences, and I'd love to hear from those who are) that the more recent growth and success of more specific conferences for specific open source communities (whether LA-auspiced or otherwise) has put pressure on both the volunteer pipeline and the attendee base for LCA/EO. This is very understandable but unfortunate both for the cross-pollination that is a key feature of LCA/EO, and for those of us whose subcommunities (e.g. kernel) are either not large enough or organised enough to have our own Australasian conferences.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there a future where EO can be co-located alongside other events? (I hate to say this, because I have Feelings(tm) about the Linux Foundation, but these thoughts are partially inspired by how LF runs its Open Source Summit and other events - obviously they operate on a different scale and with a full time professional staff.) To be clear, I don't mean LCA miniconfs: miniconfs essentially functioned as 2 part-days of specialist tracks in a 5 day conference, despite the (technical) availability of miniconf only day tickets and the looser session selection process. The miniconfs were, among other things, too short for many people to find them worth travelling to attend on their own.</div><div><br></div><div>Instead, I'm thinking of something which I will provisionally refer to as "Open Source Week", where EO is the core cross-community event (maybe 3 days, maybe reduced down to 2 days), with 2+ other events (could be language conferences, or Write The Docs/DrupalSouth/WordCamp, or something new like kernel/security/etc), in the 2-3 days either preceding or following EO (probably concurrently to each other). A shared core team would oversee some shared functions - perhaps coordinating venue bookings, certain aspects of administration/finance/ticketing, AV wrangling, etc, depending on what events are involved. Individual conferences would have their own core teams with full responsibility and flexibility to organise their sessions, set their budget, find conference-specific sponsorship, do their own branding and marketing to their own communities, though they would also cross-promote the other OSW events. Attendees would buy tickets for the events they wish (probably with some combo discount). Ideally, this would make it easier for attendees to justify the cost of attendance - whether they want a full 5 days of relevant conferences to justify the travel, or they want to focus on one specific, shorter conference exclusively - and allow each event to benefit from access to a broader group of attendees.</div><div><br></div><div>The total workload, across EO plus the co-located events over a 5-6 day period, would obviously exceed that of the old 5 day LCA, but across 3+ events that have distinct communities, you can *hopefully* draw organisers from a larger pool of people, while also benefitting from some economies of scale. The bid process would have to be completely rethought (perhaps scrapped altogether, and I suspect that we'd converge more on events in eastern capital cities). Potentially, with the combined budgets and attendance of multiple conferences, LA could justify hiring a part-time organiser to work on the shared functions and EO.</div><div><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">I have a strong personal interest in seeing an Australasian kernel/systems conference happen, something bigger than the old Kernel Miniconf, probably modelled after LF's Linux Plumbers Conference. Holding that alongside EO could be one way of lowering the barriers to making that happen - we wouldn't have to have quite as many organisers, or duplicate much of what EO already has to do - while being able to bring in people (both attendees and organisers) who wouldn't necessarily put their hand up for EO alone.</div><div><br></div></div><div>There would definitely be considerable tradeoffs required to coordinate several conferences in the same city during the same week, and I don't know for certain whether we would be able to make it work such that the benefits outweigh the costs. But it could work, debate welcome!</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg7958182371793870962"><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Jan 15, 2025, at 23:02, Andrew Ruthven via linux-aus wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_7958182371793870962qt"><div>Hey,<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, 2025-01-16 at 00:26 +1300, Simon Lyall via linux-aus wrote:<br></div><div>> From:<br></div><div>> > <a href="https://linux.org.au/about-us/annual-reports/" target="_blank">https://linux.org.au/about-us/annual-reports/</a><br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> Treasurer’s Report:<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> "Looking forward to next year, I expect the conferences will adjust to the<br></div><div>> new sponsorship conditions and return to making a profit. I hope the <br></div><div>> number of conferences we run will at least run steady, but at this stage I<br></div><div>> am not<br></div><div>> expecting EO/LCA will be run again. That's a shame as I've attended other <br></div><div>> developer conferences, and without a doubt LA's flagship is both the <br></div><div>> strongest technically and the cheapest to attend. There is no lack of<br></div><div>> speakers, or<br></div><div>> volunteers, or venues, or money. What we can't find is a team to run it"<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> Thoughts?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Certainly disappointing, and concerning. I first saw a comment about this on<br></div><div>the Fediverse today/yesterday. I'm surprised this hasn't been raised<br></div><div>earlier.<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div id="m_7958182371793870962sig73645704"><div>--<br></div><div>Matt Cengia (pronouns: they/them/theirs)<br></div></div><div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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