<div dir="ltr">Just to throw my 10c into the mix, the WordPress community has gone round and round with whether to provide "official" certification.<div><br></div><div>Many of the questions and issues raised here on this list have also been raised with WP certification, with no good answers or clear path forward.</div><div><br></div><div>The discussion was piqued again at the beginning of this year. Many quickly pointed out that WordPress is a rapidly evolving ecosphere and that any certification would likely be outdated. That may not be the case for all FOSS projects.</div><div><br></div><div>There was also a discussion about whether certification divides the community unfairly, with those who cannot afford to get certified being left out or thought of as "less worthy".</div><div><br></div><div>Wil.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 1:15 PM David Lay via linux-aus <<a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">I do believe that IT certs should be free to take, and pay memberships when passed or desired to join said community. As Hugh stated certs are more know how over practical experiments. While these home labs or experiments etc does not reflect
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<div dir="auto">Look at any roles, we all learn on the job, do we flash our certs and say we know this? Sure, but all environments are <span>different, course materials and exams are standard, we cant learn much from it, while if we agree to put our heads tog<span>ether
on a project that uses all our skills/resources we gain more than those course mate<span>rials.</span></span></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 4, 2023 1:08:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Gear <paul-linuxaus@gear.email>; <a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au" target="_blank">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a> <<a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au" target="_blank">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Linux-aus] LA Certification</font>
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<p>Hiya,</p>
<div>On 4/7/23 12:22, Paul Gear via linux-aus wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 3/7/23 18:41, Adam Nielsen via linux-aus wrote: <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">As it happens a colleague of mine recently put the view (paraphrased
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slightly) "If I see lots of certifications it's a bit of a warning flag <br>
- why not put that time into contributing to a FOSS project they care <br>
about?" a fair point I thought. <br>
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This matches my own experience too. I presume a lot of certifications <br>
focus on memorising things rather than applying knowledge, because <br>
people with a lot of certs often seem to struggle to come up with a <br>
solution for a problem. If you tell them the solution they can usually <br>
implement it no problem, but you often have to hold their hand a bit <br>
while you're trying to work out what the solution might look like. <br>
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Speaking as someone who is FLOSS at heart but has a long list of vendor certs, this makes me sad.
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I get vendor certs because my current and previous employer both highly value them, and they make them free for staff to take. Most of the ones I've taken (largely AWS & Azure) are little more than logic tests and as long as you have a general idea about the
product's capabilities and are a competent reader and logical thinker, they aren't difficult. So the amount of time I need to dedicate to gaining a certification in something I do every day is tiny compared to the amount of effort I would need to expend to
make significant FLOSS contributions. Not to mention that many of these vendors now have significant footprints in the FLOSS ecosystem, especially in the Kubernetes space.
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<p>That's a fair point Paul and in re-reading my original email I realise I missed a bit of nuance.<br>
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<p>I should have made greater emphasis on the "...a <i>bit</i><i> of a</i> warning flag..." - lots of certifications definitely wouldn't rule someone out if they also showed up well in other aspects of their resume (work experience, community contributions
and whatnot)</p>
<p>Having visible FLOSS contributions also helps paint the picture, but again it's not a blocker either :)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>
Hugh</p>
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