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<p>I think Kathy makes some very valid points: I suspect that
becoming an accreditation body either by:</p>
<ul>
<li>Some type of formal, outside recognition; or</li>
<li>Simply becoming the "de facto" accreditation body for
something</li>
</ul>
<p>...would take time, dedication, and effort.</p>
<p>Or enough money to pay someone to do so -- which is another can
of worms.</p>
<p>I think Linux Australia might be able to do it, but I sense it'd
be a long term goal, take a lot of dedication if administered "not
for salary" or cost a reasonable amount of money.</p>
<p>As for ACS - there are good individuals in ACS but I've always
sensed whilst ACS and LinuxSA do have overlap in areas, their
ethos is subtly different and their cultures similar but different
enough to require careful, tactful, and deep listening to work
closely with each other (which Linux Australia would necessarily
have to do if ACS agreed to be the accrediting body by lending its
credibility or framework, for example).</p>
<p>I am _not_ criticising either organisation; just mentioning that
to me the cultures are different enough to make working together
not as easy as it might seem at first (but what is, right?).<br>
</p>
<p>DSL<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2023 8:39 PM, Kathy Reid via
linux-aus wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:eb2dc7f5-0202-b4e8-cab8-f8fd769ab283@kathyreid.id.au">Right,
to maintain accreditation you need to have continuous professional
development - usually measured in points.
<br>
<br>
That CPD is usually administered by the accrediting body, so in
this scenario Linux Australia is positioned as the accrediting
body. We could work *with* an accrediting body, but the only one
that comes to mind is the Australian Computer Society, who don't
tend to be Linux- or open source- focused, and in recent years
have moved to become much more of a profit-generating entity
rather than a for-members based society (for example, a large
portion of their revenue is membership from particular visa
holders who have to maintain professional membership as a
condition of their visa). I don't think we want to *be* an
accrediting body, but I could be wrong.
<br>
<br>
There's a second point here too - this type of work requires
labour and time and effort. Who would do this?
<br>
<br>
Best, Kathy
<br>
<br>
On 3/7/23 10:16, Info via linux-aus wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Lots of professions have accreditation
points systems. To maintain accreditation as XYZ, you have to
attend ongoing training on XYZ to the value of 100 points each
year.
<br>
<br>
LA could work with groups like PHP to allocate points for
relevant sessions. Or just make up nominal points based on hours
per subject and type of session. As an example, a one hour
intense workshop on configuring a Web server might might be
worth 10 points for server admin, 5 for the PHP related content,
and 3 for security related tasks.
<br>
<br>
While it is overall a bit flaky, it is easier to explain to
management. :-)
<br>
They can enter the numbers in a spreadsheet. :-))
<br>
<br>
On 3/7/23 08:56, Kathy Reid via linux-aus wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Russell,
<br>
<br>
Firstly I want to say thank you for this suggestion - I think
it's great
<br>
that people are thinking about how Linux Australia could help
members
<br>
with professional development.
<br>
<br>
There are a few different use cases here:
<br>
<br>
Certificates of attendance
<br>
<br>
These would be event specific, and, IMHO, the domain of the
event
<br>
organisers, but I see no reason why they couldn't be issued.
LA could
<br>
assist with a template.
<br>
<br>
Endorsement of skills
<br>
<br>
I don't see this as a certification piece, it's much more an
endorsement
<br>
of one person by another - and we have platforms for that
already, like
<br>
LinkedIn, or other job platforms.
<br>
<br>
Vendor certification
<br>
<br>
This is a way for vendors to have their products enmeshed in
industry;
<br>
vendor certification is a way of legitimising a vendor's
product range,
<br>
and requiring people to *maintain* certification provides an
ongoing
<br>
revenue stream. LA is not a vendor, so I don't see us playing
in this
<br>
space.
<br>
<br>
Non-vendor certification
<br>
<br>
This is where players like the LPI have carved out a niche -
providing
<br>
non-vendor-specific certifications. In Australia at least
there are
<br>
several such providers, like LogiTrain and Knowledge Academy.
I don't
<br>
think this is where LA want to play because we're not set up
for it.
<br>
<br>
So, what *could* LA do in this space, if the goal is to help
people with
<br>
their Linux / FLOSS / open source / open * careers?
<br>
<br>
We already have the Jobs board [0], with huge thanks to Mr
Hesketh who I
<br>
believe still maintains it. I'd love to get this auto-posting
to our
<br>
LinkedIn and Mastodon properties to increase its value and
reach at some
<br>
stage. Or, the volume is low enough it could be done manually.
<br>
<br>
We could create some content on the website to point people in
various
<br>
directions - attend events here, here's what to consider in
terms of
<br>
certification, here's the type of certifications our members
have. That
<br>
is, help outline the pathways people could take with Linux and
open
<br>
source in their career. That might be the action here? A page
which
<br>
outlines what directions open source could take your career,
and how
<br>
that might work in Australia - to provide guidance.
<br>
<br>
Kind regards,
<br>
<br>
Kathy Reid
<br>
<br>
[0] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://linux.org.au/jobs/">https://linux.org.au/jobs/</a>
<br>
<br>
On 3/7/23 00:23, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Would there be a benefit in having
Linux Australia certification?
<br>
<br>
Companies like Google give out certificates when people
attend their training,
<br>
would certificates of attendance be of any interest to
people?
<br>
<br>
What about certification of skilled contribution to FOSS
projects? We could
<br>
have a system where members of the projects can endorse
worthy contributors
<br>
for a certification of their skills and work. Would that
help people get
<br>
jobs?
<br>
<br>
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