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<p>I agree Marcus's request seems particularly vexatious in terms of
the way he's communicating with us here.<br>
However before everyone else gets up-in-arms:</p>
<p>- The Constitution is published at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/">https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/</a><br>
- You joined Linux Australia therefore you have agreed to abide by
the constitution; if elements here are a surprise then you have
noone to blame but yourself for signing up without reading and
considering the ramifications of it first.</p>
<p>Here's Section 7 in full:</p>
<h4 id="Register_of_members" style="--fontSize: 20; line-height:
1.5; --minFontSize: 20;" data-fontsize="20" data-lineheight="30px"
class="fusion-responsive-typography-calculated">7. Register of
members</h4>
<p>(1) The public officer or the secretary of the association must
establish and maintain a register of members of the association
specifying the name and postal or residential address of each
person who is a member of the association together with the date
on which the person became a member.<br>
(2) The register of members must be kept in Australia:<br>
(a) at the main premises of the association, or<br>
(b) if the association has no premises, at the association’s
official address.<br>
(c) in electronic format in a manner accessible to the public
officer and secretary of the association.<br>
(3) The portion of the register of members comprising names of
members and dates on which the person became a member must be open
for inspection, free of charge, by any member of the association
within five business days of receipt of a written request by the
public officer or secretary of the association.<br>
(4) A member of the association may obtain a copy of any part of
the register on payment of a fee of not more than $1 for each page
copied or printed, or without fee for an electronic copy of the
information.<br>
(5) If a member requests that any information contained on the
register about the member (other than the member’s name) not be
available for inspection, that information must not be made
available for inspection.<br>
(6) A member must not use information about a person obtained from
the register to contact or send material to the person, other than
for:<br>
(a) the purposes of sending the person a newsletter, a notice in
respect of a meeting or other event relating to the association or
other material relating to the association, or<br>
(b) any other purpose necessary to comply with a requirement of
the Act or the Regulation.</p>
<p>To implement section (5) all you need to do is login to the
membership portal, update your details and select the tickbox
"Supress details for membership information requests"<br>
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<p><img src="cid:part1.I80vD6N0.Whn6qeFW@blakjak.net" alt=""
width="822" height="103"></p>
<p>... so a request under SubSection (4) is only going to reveal
your name if you've exercised your rights under SubSection (5).</p>
<p>SubSection (6) does make it clear the reasons that information
obtained from the members register can be used - basically it
needs to be about LA business. A shame that Marcus hasn't
provided assurance that his intentions are aligned with this
clause.</p>
<p>Long story short; though to my eyes the suppression of any
information beyond 'need to know' should likely be the default,
and not something someone has to explicitly exercise via (5)
above, there's full transparency in terms of our ability to
protect our own privacy as associated with the data LA holds about
us.</p>
<p>I also assume there's a process for proposing updates to the
constitution. Perhaps other members could advise the rationale
behind the structure of Section 7 and provide guidance on whether
a change is feasible, if members are concerned then they'll be
able to propose an amendment and see it passed by vote at an AGM.</p>
<p><br>
Mark.<br>
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<p></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/12/2022 10:19 am, Lyndsey Jackson
via linux-aus wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Can we have the constitution updated so that I
don't have to feel concerned that this man, who I don't know can
stop claiming a right to my private contact details?
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<div dir="auto">That seems less work for us, and more beneficial
for me as an individual than me cancelling my membership and
demanding my information is deleted. But I am happy to do the
work to go either way. </div>
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<div dir="auto">And can we have clarity on the position of the
org on this? As a past chair of EFA happy to help find a
lawyer/other people to speak to. </div>
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<div dir="auto">In my experience constitutions have some holes,
because, of course they do, and it is a red flag when people
start to poke in them for their own gain. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Lyndsey </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 7:34 AM
Paul Esson via linux-aus <<a
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<div dir="auto">Doesn't section 7.5 state that members can
request that their information is not made public in this
way?
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<div dir="auto">> If a member requests that any
information contained on the register about the member
(other than the member’s name) not be available for
inspection, that information must not be made available
for inspection.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Has the council breached the constitution by
informing members of their ability to make their details
private?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Paul<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, 7:40
am John Pearson via linux-aus, <<a
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<div>...and while we're asking—does the constitution
compel them to comply, and does the law permit them to
do so without our consent?<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On December 19, 2022 6:50:32 AM
GMT+10:30, Chris Deigan via linux-aus <<a
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<pre dir="auto">On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, at 16:46, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex">Some time ago I asked the committee for some details from the members
register, being name and contact details.
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Since you're writing to (some of) the members now, can you explain why you want their/our contact details in the first place?
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