<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br></div><div>While I don’t mind, you were the one who messaged me privately, rather than the mail list. </div><div>So I did as you did, as a courtesy. </div><div><br></div><div>Seems rather manipulative to swap from private to public like that. </div><div><br></div><div>As stated, I am waiting for some information, and you have also provided some, so thank you for that. </div><div><br></div><div>I will appraise you, Anne and the list once I received and processed it. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Marcus</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite"><br>On 18 Oct 2022, at 8:45 pm, Kathy Reid <kathy@kathyreid.id.au> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>Sure do. You're all about scrutiny and transparency, right? I
didn't think you'd mind. <br>
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You realise you just went from private to public right?<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Marcus,
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<div dir="auto">I can only comment on my time in Council
so things may have changed, however there is usually a
Council "face to face" - pandemic permitting - in
March or April following the AGM, where new Council
members are briefed on their responsibilities and
strategic direction is discussed. From memory there is
a Council Induction doc floating around, but don't
hold me to that .</div>
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<div dir="auto">We investigated in about 2017 - I think
- of having Council Members go through the AICD
course, but it's about $11k per person and we - it
would have been me responsible at the time - decided
it wasn't financially feasible - largely because we
could invest that amount in someone who might only be
on Council for a year and then move on. Should we be
investing profits in one or two people rather than the
community? There are arguments on both sides. </div>
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<div dir="auto">In my view, and this is my view only,
the AICD course would be a wise investment for someone
who has given several years' service to the
organisation and indicates they would give several
more. But it's a large expenditure - perhaps one for
the Grants budget. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Additionally, the Council Members each
have Position Descriptions outlining their roles on
GitHub, linked previously.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Council Members are voluntary - and so
their capacities and capabilities vary - and so often
it's a balancing act for Council of who does what.
There is always more LA would like to do than we have
capacity to do. In terms of growing capability (life
tends to constrain capacity), we find LA Council is a
rich training ground, where Council members tackle
complex, contentious and challenging problems. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The next question that is often asked at
this juncture is "why don't you get paid support?".
It's been discussed several times - getting someone
high calibre on what we could afford to pay would be
challenging, plus managing staff or contractors comes
with a large overhead - which Council is actually
trying to reduce. For example, a 0.2 FTE Exec Officer
role would probably set LA back about $20-$25k a year
- that's two thirds of the Grants budget. Would that
role show a positive return on investment higher than
$25k or would it just "help Council"? Not sure, and
it's not for me to speculate as to Council's current
position. That might be a great investment. But the
discussion has been had several times. </div>
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<div dir="auto">There's a fantastic slide Sae Ra and
Julien showed at their LA talk earlier in the year
that outlined all the things LA has to govern and
manage - does anyone have it to hand?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regards,</div>
<div dir="auto">Kathy</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Kathy,
<div>As an ex-council member can is ask what kind
of <span style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 )">governance </span>training
council members go through?
<div>In previous organisations I have been
involved with most have some training they put
people through. <br>
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255 , 0 )">Regards,<br>
Marcus Herstik<br>
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M: <span dir="ltr">0405-569-466</span><br>
A: <span dir="ltr">P.O. Box 2443, Burleigh
Waters, QLD, 4220</span></span></div>
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<blockquote>On 18 Oct 2022, at 6:40 pm, Kathy
Reid <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@kathyreid.id.au"><kathy@kathyreid.id.au></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">None of what I wrote
indicates that they are absolved of
responsibilities, Marcus, however I was
clarifying exactly what responsibilities
they *do* have.
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18:00, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Kathy,
<div>Thank you for your
response. </div>
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<div>The fact that the council
is a volunteer group does not
make them immune to scrutiny
or absolve them of
responsibilities under the
Constitution or the Act</div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb( 0 ,
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you (and all the members on
this list) after I have
received more information. </span></div>
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Marcus Herstik<br>
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M: <span dir="ltr">0405-569-466</span><br>
A: <span dir="ltr">P.O.
Box 2443, Burleigh
Waters, QLD, 4220</span></span></div>
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