<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">No offence to the people who work hard and do the work of running the LA. </div><div dir="ltr">However it appears to me they have gone a direction some members do not approve and have taken the reigns and pushed the organisation in a particular direction. </div><div dir="ltr">See notes below. </div><div dir="ltr"> <br><blockquote type="cite">On 17 Oct 2022, at 12:39 am, Joel Addison <joel@addison.net.au> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 Oct 2022, at 22:07, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus <<a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au" class="">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">Let me see if I can provide the timeline and point out why some people may be a little upset with the lack of communication from Linux Australia (LA), the lack of a Linux Conference Australia (LCA) and the new EverythingOpen (EO) conference. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">While I have looked at the LA mail list archive from December 2021 to now to ensure a full grasp and also so that I am not forgetting something I may have dismissed in haste there is no guarantee provided. You can check the list archive yourself. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">On June 12th there was an email asking about what is happening with LCA 2023. It was advised that the “LA council have been discussing this over the past few months”. They’ll LA council would have an announcement in the next few weeks. </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">Nothing else material except for the comment </span>by Steven Ellis on June 13 that he hoped “something is going on elsewhere we don't know about.” Yet nothing is said. </div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">Again LA was asked between July 26-30th about LCA for 2023. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">After a brief reply and a pithy response commenting about “so many dedicated volunteers helping” and after advising to “submit patches” there was a retort that this has been requested for at least a month and it was noted that there was no request for assistance and a bit more discussion without any information.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">I must note that there was a few emails regarding the time and effort needed to put on an LCA that people may find enlightening. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(See Paul Wayper on June 13 and Kathy Reid on July 30th.) </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">I might also note that at this time there have been no calls for an LCA 2024 so far. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">August 3rd we got an update that it was close to resolved and start sounding out for speakers. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">September 30th - Rip/Vale LCA email starts this type of discussion. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">I am happy to be proven wrong but I can <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>see no official update on LCA provided. After the RIP/Vale email then an announcement about EO was posted. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">It has since been said that the unacceptable bid (if it may be called that) was advised. However without access to the committee meeting minutes it is difficult to see what happened. (I might note that the Constitution allows for asking for these under section 40(1)(a), but don’t take my word on it - read it yourself)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">So when some members state there is a lack of transparency, it is hard to disagree. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">This is because there were multiple requests for information and despite assurances to the contrary nothing was provided, at least publicly. I certainly can not point to any communication despite others having multiple attempts at asking what is happening. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">There was no further requests for help or for people to put a conference on, nor does there appear to be advice that an alternative was being investigated by the council.</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">What are the members supposed to think? </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">We are told we don’t step up and we need to be grateful for online conferences despite the fact that some people want to go back to F2F conferences, to the dismay of others. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">So it appears either we (the members) were forgotten, lied to or misled that information would be forthcoming, or something else happened. The question is what happened?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">So why are people upset? </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">Because what could be perceived as a very similar conference, sponsored by LA (whatever that means - could one assume financial assistance?) that has some similar categories to the LCA miniconfs and potentially taking the place of the LCA. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">The website specifically says “Linux Australia has decided to run this event to provide a space for a cross-section of the open technologies communities to come together in person.” </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">It also says “The presentations cover a broad range of subject areas, including Linux, open source software, open hardware, open data, open government, open GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives and museums), to name a few.” </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">I’m sorry but it looks darn similar. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It even states it uses the LA code of conduct with “All attendees of Everything Open 2023 agree to be bound by the Linux Australia Code of Conduct.”</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class="">When was it decided that LCA would be dropped in favour of EO?</div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">Is there a team that has decided they don’t want to do LCA but still want the same thing so they made EO?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">I’m very confused by this conference. </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">So is this LCA2023 by another name?</span></div><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="s1"></span></p><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">If not, why not? </span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">And why has there been no call for 2024?</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1"></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""><span class="s1">Just my 2c and an attempt at timeline and sorting out. </span></div><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">Regards,<br class="">Marcus Herstik<br class=""></span></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""></div><div>Linux Australia has decided to hold Everything Open in 2023. As you have seen, there is much overlap, because it is the natural evolution of what we have seen with <a href="http://linux.conf.au" class="">linux.conf.au</a>. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">So basically it is LCA by another name.</span></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Everything Open will still cover everything we have seen at LCA, something I think you've picked up on given the large overlap with announcement and website content. It is designed to be inclusive to all members of the free and open source technologies communities, giving people from all of the areas that Linux Australia represents an avenue to come together to share knowledge. There will still be other conferences auspiced by Linux Australia in 2023 and beyond, focusing on specific communities, e.g. PyCon AU, DrupalSouth, WordCamps, etc. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>But no LCA. Got it. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>The 3 day duration of EO2023 is the same as the past two online conferences, given it is the first event in a few years with an in person component, </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Except for the one that was submitted but rejected. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>and that there is still uncertainty around what might be going on in the world, how many people are able and willing to travel, etc.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok. So what? Why was the 2022 bid not suggested earlier to consider moving to 2023?</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div> There is a longer overview on the base website: <a href="https://everythingopen.au/news/introducing-everything-open/" class="">https://everythingopen.au/news/introducing-everything-open/</a><br class="">We will also have more to say as we go - we have only done the first announcement so far.<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>From this page “<span style="caret-color: rgb(33, 37, 41); color: rgb(33, 37, 41); font-family: "Source Sans Pro", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> It is with all of this in mind that Linux Australia has decided to organise Everything Open 2023, a new conference that embraces all facets of open technology”. </span></div><div><br></div><div>Congratulations - it seems you have declared this the new LCA. </div><div>Who made this decision?</div><div>Who is this group that have organised EO?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>As is usual, the Call for Volunteers will go out a bit later on. Getting ahead of the announcement, we are looking at opening this in November. Feel free to mark your calendar to look out for this.<br class=""><br class="">All subcommittees and events that are auspiced by Linux Australia are required to have a Code of Conduct in place. Linux Australia has a Code of Conduct, and this is the one that most end up adopting. Given Everything Open is auspiced by Linux Australia, it shouldn't be a surprised that the Code of Conduct is shared.<br class=""><br class="">As for 2024, Council has been occupied with getting the 2023 conference announced, because we thought it was more important to get 2023 sorted before looking to future years. Of course we haven't forgotten that we also need to get the ball rolling for 2024 and beyond, and there will be further details sent out once they are ready.<br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Joel Addison<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So it seems council made a specific and direct decision to create a conference different but similar to LCA. </div><div><br></div><div>Can I ask why this decision was made?</div><div>Please also answer the in line questions. </div><div><br></div><div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,<br>Marcus Herstik<br><br>M: <span dir="ltr" style="text-decoration: underline;">0405-569-466</span><br>A: <span dir="ltr" style="text-decoration: underline;">P.O. 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