<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Let me see if I can provide the timeline and point out why some people may be a little upset with the lack of communication from Linux Australia (LA), the lack of a Linux Conference Australia (LCA) and the new EverythingOpen (EO) conference. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">While I have looked at the LA mail list archive from December 2021 to now to ensure a full grasp and also so that I am not forgetting something I may have dismissed in haste there is no guarantee provided. You can check the list archive yourself. </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On June 12th there was an email asking about what is happening with LCA 2023. It was advised that the “LA council have been discussing this over the past few months”. They’ll LA council would have an announcement in the next few weeks. </p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Nothing else material except for the comment </span>by Steven Ellis on June 13 that he hoped “something is going on elsewhere we don't know about.” Yet nothing is said. </p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Again LA was asked between July 26-30th about LCA for 2023. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">After a brief reply and a pithy response commenting about “so many dedicated volunteers helping” and after advising to “submit patches” there was a retort that this has been requested for at least a month and it was noted that there was no request for assistance and a bit more discussion without any information.</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">I must note that there was a few emails regarding the time and effort needed to put on an LCA that people may find enlightening. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(See Paul Wayper on June 13 and Kathy Reid on July 30th.) </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">I might also note that at this time there have been no calls for an LCA 2024 so far. </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">August 3rd we got an update that it was close to resolved and start sounding out for speakers. </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">September 30th - Rip/Vale LCA email starts this type of discussion. </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">I am happy to be proven wrong but I can <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>see no official update on LCA provided. After the RIP/Vale email then an announcement about EO was posted. </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">It has since been said that the unacceptable bid (if it may be called that) was advised. However without access to the committee meeting minutes it is difficult to see what happened. (I might note that the Constitution allows for asking for these under section 40(1)(a), but don’t take my word on it - read it yourself)</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">So when some members state there is a lack of transparency, it is hard to disagree. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">This is because there were multiple requests for information and despite assurances to the contrary nothing was provided, at least publicly. I certainly can not point to any communication despite others having multiple attempts at asking what is happening. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">There was no further requests for help or for people to put a conference on, nor does there appear to be advice that an alternative was being investigated by the council.</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">What are the members supposed to think? </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">We are told we don’t step up and we need to be grateful for online conferences despite the fact that some people want to go back to F2F conferences, to the dismay of others. </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">So it appears either we (the members) were forgotten, lied to or misled that information would be forthcoming, or something else happened. The question is what happened?</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">So why are people upset? </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Because what could be perceived as a very similar conference, sponsored by LA (whatever that means - could one assume financial assistance?) that has some similar categories to the LCA miniconfs and potentially taking the place of the LCA. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">The website specifically says “Linux Australia has decided to run this event to provide a space for a cross-section of the open technologies communities to come together in person.” </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">It also says “The presentations cover a broad range of subject areas, including Linux, open source software, open hardware, open data, open government, open GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives and museums), to name a few.” </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">I’m sorry but it looks darn similar. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It even states it uses the LA code of conduct with “All attendees of Everything Open 2023 agree to be bound by the Linux Australia Code of Conduct.”</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">When was it decided that LCA would be dropped in favour of EO?</p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Is there a team that has decided they don’t want to do LCA but still want the same thing so they made EO?</span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">I’m very confused by this conference. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">So is this LCA2023 by another name?</span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">If not, why not? </span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">And why has there been no call for 2024?</span></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; min-height: 24px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1"></span><br></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1">Just my 2c and an attempt at timeline and sorting out. </span></p><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,<br>Marcus Herstik<br><br>M: <span dir="ltr" style="text-decoration: underline;">0405-569-466</span><br>A: <span dir="ltr" style="text-decoration: underline;">P.O. 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