<div id="geary-body" dir="auto"><div><div>Open source doesn't apply just to software or the Linux aspect.</div><div>It's a principle and, as such, a value.</div><div>Anybody who fails to see the value inherent in transparency in government, or open access to education (in the broadest definition of the word), yes, `vacuous' is the term.</div><div>Cheers!</div></div></div><div id="geary-signature" dir="auto"><div>--</div>David Crosswell<div>Telaman Consultancies</div><div>P.O. Box 477</div><div>100 Edward Street</div><div>Charleville 4077</div><div>Queensland</div><div>Australia</div><div><br></div><div>https://www.telaman.net.au</div></div><div id="geary-quote" dir="auto"><br>On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 11:46, Jeremy Davis via linux-aus <linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="plaintext" style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Hi,
A regular lurker but rare poster putting my 2c in here. FYI I've only
been to one LCA and had minimal involvement other than that. Hence
please take my input in that context...
Whilst I get that many use the terms "open source" and "free software"
(and/or "FOSS"/"FLOSS") interchangeably (including me at times), as
surely shouldn't need to be explained to this forum; they are not the
same thing[1][2][3]!
[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software#Overview">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software#Overview</a>
[2] <a href="https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html">https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html</a>
[3] <a href="https://opensource.com/article/17/11/open-source-or-free-software">https://opensource.com/article/17/11/open-source-or-free-software</a>
I'm 100% with Craig when he says "Open Source is not a value, it's a
marketing tool". It's completely reasonable that the average punter off
the street might miss (or not care about) that point, but I doubt that a
seasoned Linuxer would.
Having "open source values" might work with an uninformed audience, but
I suspect that many (such as myself and clearly Craig too) would see
that statement as completely vacuous.
I get that there is a desire to be open and engaging to all and avoiding
any sort elitism. And I also get that as an "average punter" engagement
tool "free software" appears to cause some confusion and "open source"
has more clarity with that audience - so is likely a better choice.
So I don't know what the right answer is. But I feel that if there is
any interest in engaging more "freedom" focused types, having "open
source values" - without explicit notice of what values that is
inferring - is not the way.
YMMV...
Cheers,
Jeremy
On 13/10/22 10:39, David via linux-aus wrote:
<blockquote>Some good points, but open source _is_ a value, obvious when it's
observed how many avoid it.
Obvious when a world is envisaged with or without it.
Can you imagine a world where _everything_ was open source?
We currently reside in a world where the majority of it isn't, just for
comparison.
--
David Crosswell
Telaman Consultancies
P.O. Box 477
100 Edward Street
Charleville 4077
Queensland
Australia
<a href="https://www.telaman.net.au">https://www.telaman.net.au</a>
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 09:29, Craige McWhirter via linux-aus
<<a href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a>> wrote:
<blockquote>At this juncture it looks to me like LA comittee and the community have
formally parted ways?
The timing is particularly poor.
There are reasons that LCA was held the way it was, when it was.
"Everything Open embodies Linux Australia's values" - yet the entire
site is
entirely devoid of any values. (no, Ooen Source is not a value, it's a
marketing tool). Transparency would be a good one to start with.
What are the values of this conference, if it is replacing LCA?
This no longer looks like a community event but rather a hollow vessel
for
sponsors.
If the community are not involved, how is it grass roots?
Like the LA logo, "Everything Open" appears to not represent anything.
Do we have a date set for the next AGM?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 21:07:34 +1000, contact--- via linux-aus wrote:
<blockquote>
Australasia's grassroots Free and Open Source technologies conference,
Everything Open, will be held in Melbourne, Australia from March
14-16 2023.
Linux Australia is proud to announce Everything Open, a new
conference that
will be running in March 2023.
This three day conference will have presentations on a range of open
technologies topics from community members and project leaders.
There will be a key focus on Linux, open source software and open
hardware,
as well as the communities that surround them.
Following two years of online conferences, we know there is an
appetite from
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Everything Open will run in Naarm (Melbourne) across three days, 14-16
March, at the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre.
We realise that some people will need to access the conference from
other
locations, and we are working hard to maximise access for all.
Everything Open is a grassroots conference with a focus on open
technologies, the community that has built up around this movement
and the
values that it represents.
The presentations will cover a broad range of subject areas
including Linux,
open source software, open hardware, open data, open government, and
open
GLAM (galleries, libraries, archives and museums), to name a few.
As we have come to expect, there will be technical deep-dives into
specific
topics from project contributors, as well as tutorials on building
hardware
or using a piece of software, not to mention talks covering the inner
workings of our communities.
## Call for Sessions
Our Call for Sessions will open in a couple of weeks. We encourage
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## Sponsorship opportunities
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