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This is also ignoring the fact that I replied to Noel's email on the same afternoon that it was sent, outlining the rationale for the decision:
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http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2018-May/023384.html</a><br>
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And the fact that the grants list is public - <a href="http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/grants/" id="LPlnk953319">
http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/grants/</a><br>
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If there was a conspiracy, I'd rather like to think we would be better at it honestly.<br>
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Cameron Tudball<br>
Vice-President<br>
Linux Australia<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> linux-aus <linux-aus-bounces@lists.linux.org.au> on behalf of Linux Australia President via linux-aus <linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 27 May 2018 9:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Noel Butler; linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Linux-aus] REMINDER - Discussion on Linux Australia Grant requests is happening on a separate list this year</font>
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<p>Hi Noel, I overlooked your email; it wasn't a conspiracy. <br>
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<p>The Council decided on a separate list after receiving feedback from some members of Linux Australia that while they wanted to have input into Grant Requests, they did *not* want to subscribe to the linux-aus list, given its history of, shall we say, some
conversations that have become very heated. Most of our actions for continual improvement are driven, not by some dark "ulterior motive", but a desire for genuinely incorporating community feedback into our processes and practices.
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<p>There's no secrecy at all, I've sent several communications to this list to say "hey, Grants List is over here".
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<p>Here it is again. In plain text. Unencrypted. <br>
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<p>Calling it "secrecy" is quite the strech, Noel ...</p>
<p>Regards, <br>
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<p>Kathy<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 27/05/18 21:19, Noel Butler via linux-aus wrote:<br>
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<p>so is the council executive going to answer my question? </p>
<p>Who decided on the separate list and why was it not put to the members.</p>
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<p>This is a very low traffic list, and I doubt anyone here has complained, so I'd like to know why the secrecy and what was the motivation for this secret action</p>
<p>nobody else has mentioned it, but certainly I can not be the only person who thinks this is rather strange, adn that there may be ulterior motives involved.</p>
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<p>On 05/05/2018 13:56, Noel Butler via linux-aus wrote:</p>
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<p>On 04/05/2018 17:14, Linux Australia President via linux-aus wrote:</p>
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<div class="x_pre" style="margin:0; padding:0; font-family:monospace">Hi everyone,<br>
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A quick courtesy note as a reminder that discussion on Grant requests is<br>
happening on a separate list this year - enabling people who want to<br>
have a say on Grant funding to just follow one list, and not have to<br>
subscribe to linux-aus.<br>
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Subscribe at: <a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.linux.org.au%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgrants&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3313217b220941a3220008d5c3c516c5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636630173619853793&sdata=F0zYtRhwWB3AKVA0YxE6AjSCPEpis%2FIbYHdvhIGG0kY%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/grants" shash="feOZmo+sPuPBO3VZxAv3knOyROxItKx07lGSCftiDMO4WajFBIk88uwKswO+PytEsd/tp3FIXaF/jVF9His5D4hmc2gN4Y0RSpbxtUVuKxmI4RR7z5AHIsFdLIHVmCnG9eTBbxGgIEPSZPKF3FduQkvV99lMAlcH0PuiCOpLHG8=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
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A special thanks to those who have already provided valuable feedback<br>
and analysis on existing Grant requests - as always we welcome your<br>
feedback and contributions.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
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Kathy<br>
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<p>Why a separate list? Who decided the general membership doesn't need to know unless they subscribe to " yet another bloody list" I must have missed that conversation on this list where members were complaining they did not want them here, after all its
not like this is a high traffic volume list. </p>
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<p>I think that decision (if taken in private) is reversed, but thats just me...</p>
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