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    <p>Hi David. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I much prefer you to "tell it how it is", so no offense taken.<br>
    </p>
    <p>If you send me your google id (gmail address) then you will be
      able to put your comments into the document (it will make it
      easier for me to address all feedback, and also allow you to see
      feedback others have been giving me - some of which is in line
      with what you are saying).</p>
    <p>Thanks for the feedback,</p>
    <p>Cameron<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/3/18 11:47 am, David Lloyd wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We
            request that:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li
style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Government’s
              decision makers are armed with the authoritative research
              and guides so they can confidently trust, select and then
              defend collaborative strategies which are often
              non-intuitive and indirect. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li
style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Government
              places a greater emphasis on long term sustainability over
              short term milestones.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li
style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Government
              agencies place a greater emphasis on co-development and
              care about the communities on whom they depend.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li
style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
            level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline"><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Government
              smooths spending cycles and embraces agile development
              methodologies.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">I’m not known for “beating around the
          bush” so don’t be offended, but:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Is
            the above written to:<o:p></o:p></li>
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            <li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Win
              “Buzzword Bingo”; or<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level2 lfo3">Convery
              something meaningful?<o:p></o:p></li>
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          <li class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Alternatively,
            it is really requesting the obvious…<o:p></o:p></li>
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        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">No Government agency, politician or
          decision maker will disagree with any of the four points
          openly so it’s <b>not requesting something they do not agree
            with</b> or <b>anything innovative</b>.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">Put more nicely, it’s a poor summary of
          some of the very good recommendations within the letter.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">I’d be inclined to print out the
          recommendations from 1-13 and distil them into no more than 3
          points that will not win “buzzword bingo” but will, instead,
          attract its readers to investigate the rest of the letter.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">Whoever wrote it obviously could but I
          might suggest they may be too close to the subject matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">On the other hand, if the honest answer
          is “But we have to speak buzzword bingo to get past the
          initial readers” then I could be wrong here too.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">My 2c <span
            style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">DSL<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">-----Original
            Message-----</span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">From:
            linux-aus [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:linux-aus-bounces@lists.linux.org.au">mailto:linux-aus-bounces@lists.linux.org.au</a>] On
            Behalf</span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">Of Cameron
            Shorter via linux-aus</span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">Sent:
            Sunday, 4 March 2018 4:27 PM</span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">To: osgeo
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss@lists.osgeo.org></a>;
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au">linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au</a></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">Subject: Re:
            [Linux-aus] What Open Government can learn from us Open</span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU" lang="EN-US">Source folks</span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Folks,</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Thanks to those of you who have
          reviewed the response to the proposed</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Open Government National Action
          Plan. And I know a number of you are</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> planning to add more feedback this
          week. (In a nutshell: The response</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> explains Open Government needs to
          learn how to collaborate as</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> effectively as Open Source
          communities, and what government needs to</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> change to make this happen).</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> OSIA folks and Linux Australia
          Council, I'm formally requesting that this</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> letter be presented jointly by Open
          Source Industry Australia</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> (OSIA) and Linux Australia. What is
          involved in getting this permission?</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> A status update:</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> * The Linux Journal has offered to
          publish a piece on this. I'll be reaching</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> out to other publications in the
          next couple of weeks to invite them to</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> publish too. (Suggestions of
          publications welcomed).</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> * I've incorporated most changes
          suggested so far. I've had a couple of</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> people suggest a better
          introduction / exec summary - which I'll be</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> working on.</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> * I'm hoping to collate all
          preliminary feedback within the next 2 weeks</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> (by ~ 16 March).</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> * Deadline for delivery of our
          response is 30 March.</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Document is here:</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JS</span></a></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">>
              o0Ueraam39UHFOGHs/edit#</span></a></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Warm regards, Cameron</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> On 27/2/18 8:52 am, Cameron Shorter
          wrote:</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > The Australian Government has
          asked for feedback on how they are</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> going</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > at Open Government, and I've
          started a draft response. I'm really keen</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > to make sure that this
          response is well constructed because I think</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > that if listened to,
          understood, and acted upon, then we can make a</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > huge difference to the
          effectiveness of Open Government worldwide -</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > and by extension, to Open
          Source as well.</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> ></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > If you have a chance to read
          and provide review comments, I'd be very</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > grateful. Email me directly to
          get review access.</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> ></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > (It will take ~ 10 minutes to
          read. Longer if you take time to think</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > about how things should be
          reworded and consider what is missing and</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> > should be included.)</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> ></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> ></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JS</span></a></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jNdh4_A_cIpaHqLRFOgpvAY3JSo0Ueraam"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">>
              o0Ueraam</span></a></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> >
          39UHFOGHs/edit#heading=h.5zu4u4o3l7zi</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> ></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> ></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> --</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Cameron Shorter</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Technology Demystifier, Learnosity</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> Open Technologies Consultant</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> M +61 (0) 419 142 254</p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">>
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Cameron Shorter
Technology Demystifier, Learnosity
Open Technologies Consultant

M +61 (0) 419 142 254</pre>
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