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    <p>Hi everyone, <br>
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    <p>This is a courtesy note to indicate that Linux Australia Council
      considered this Grant Application at Council Meeting 13th April. <br>
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    <p>We discussed this Grant Application, but we are undecided on
      whether to grant it,  and would like to seek further information
      around the dataset licensing and platform licensing, specifically
      the actual licenses that will be applied. <br>
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    <p>Rowland, are you able to indicate this information?</p>
    <p>Kind regards, <br>
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    <p>Kathy<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/04/17 09:05, Rowland Mosbergen
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Russell,
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        <div>That question about dataset licensing is very good one that
          I have not thought of before.  Going forward I will do some
          research about where we are getting our data from and their
          licensing and choose a data license for our processed data and
          make it explicit on the website.</div>
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        <div>All software will be put into a public bitbucket account
          alongside our current Stemformatics software.</div>
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        <div>I can also see your point about <i>"<span
              style="font-size:12.8px">Is there a risk that access to
              the curated data needed for the </span></i><i
            style="font-size:12.8px">application might be removed at
            some future time?"</i><span style="font-size:12.8px">. The
            processed data would be in the tens of TBs so would not be
            able to fit in github/bitbucket. This data will be treated
            the same as other research data as it will be hosted on
            NeCTAR / RDS services. The chances of that data being
            removed without oversight in the future would be greatly
            reduced  compared to hosting it on a commercial platform.</span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Thanks again for your input
            Russell, I hope that I have answered your questions.</span></div>
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                                                        Wells Laboratory
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                                                        Stem Cell
                                                        Systems<br>
                                                        Department of
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                                                        Dentistry and
                                                        Health Sciences<br>
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                                                        Room 1.36, Level
                                                        1, Kenneth Myer
                                                        Building<br>
                                                        The University
                                                        of Melbourne,
                                                        Victoria 3010
                                                        Australia<br>
                                                        T: +61 3 8344
                                                        6623 | E: <a
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                                                        W: <a
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:37 PM,
            Russell Coker <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au" target="_blank">russell@coker.com.au</a>></span>
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                class="">On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 5:46:12 PM AEDT
                Rowland Mosbergen wrote:<br>
                > Dear Linux Australia Council members and community,<br>
                ><br>
                > I would like to make a grant application for the
                Linux Australia Grants<br>
                > Scheme on behalf of Stemformatics.<br>
                ><br>
                > You can view the application as a pdf (attached) or
                a link (below):<br>
                > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Hjv6EC6GA2A6_DQcOjv7zqubt96nBaqoV7YbeUN"
                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/15Hjv6EC6GA2A6_<wbr>DQcOjv7zqubt96nBaqoV7YbeUN</a><br>
                > CJg/edit?usp=sharing<br>
                ><br>
                > I only recently realised that I need to be a member
                of Linux Australia to<br>
                > quality for this grant. I did apply on the 27th of
                March 2017 to fulfil<br>
                > this criteria.<br>
                ><br>
                > Please let me know if any extra information is
                needed for this application.<br>
                <br>
              </span>I think this is a very worthy project and the
              amount of money requested seems<br>
              reasonable given the expected return.  But I have some
              concerns about<br>
              licensing and source access.<br>
              <br>
              The PDF states that you will "create all of these under an
              open source license<br>
              (Apache License, Version 2.0)".  What about the license of
              the datasets that<br>
              you are using?  It's implied that you are getting them
              from other<br>
              organisations, do they have licenses that are compatible
              or are you receiving<br>
              a license grant from those organisations that permits
              redistributing the<br>
              bundle under the Apache license?  I expect that you will
              have sorted this out<br>
              somehow, but I would like it made clear.<br>
              <br>
              For the software that is produced, will you put it in a
              public repository like<br>
              Github?  How big is the data?  Can the data fit in github
              or some other public<br>
              repository?  Is there a risk that access to the curated
              data needed for the<br>
              application might be removed at some future time?<br>
              <br>
              Finally if this grant application is approved I suggest
              that we make a further<br>
              offer of travel expenses if one of the developers of this
              project is accepted<br>
              as a speaker at an LCA miniconf.  The general practice is
              that speakers at the<br>
              main conference may be offered travel expenses from the
              LCA budget but not for<br>
              miniconf speakers.  I think that we should make it a
              standard practice that a<br>
              miniconf speaker who is speaking about work performed
              under an LA grant should<br>
              be offered a further grant towards travel expenses from
              anywhere in Australia<br>
              or NZ.<br>
              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                  --<br>
                  My Main Blog         <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://etbe.coker.com.au/" rel="noreferrer"
                    target="_blank">http://etbe.coker.com.au/</a><br>
                  My Documents Blog    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://doc.coker.com.au/" rel="noreferrer"
                    target="_blank">http://doc.coker.com.au/</a><br>
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