<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Phillip Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@fukawi2.nl" target="_blank">lists@fukawi2.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On 6 June 2016 at 23:48, Russell Coker </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au" target="_blank">russell@coker.com.au</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Back to the content of the article, while there are some complaints that could<br>
be made about it (apart from the one I made) I think there is one noteworthy<br>
point. The question is asked why doesn't Linux Australia pay for hosting.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">While the article itself retains the journalistic integrity of a flock of seagulls, I do agree that the core point regarding hosting is a reasonable observation.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It does seem strange to me that LA would rely on donated hosting when a reasonable VPS from the likes of Linode can be had for under $500/year. A cluster of machines to allow for separation of services could be had for under $1,000. These don't seem too unreasonable given the profit figures quoted in the article -- perhaps those are not accurate figures?</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If the concern is the Linux *Australia* having services hosted overseas, there are the likes of Binary Lane providing comparable hosting services in Australia. LCA sponsor Anchor Hosting is in Sydney, or Catalyst (another sponsor of LCA) have their cloud offering based in NZ.</div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>If there are well provisioned datacenters offering to host things for free (on real hardware owned by LA), why would you pay for commercial virtual hosting though?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">These servers are effectively professionally hosted, just at a price of $0 each. They're not in a cupboard, they're in million dollar datacenter facilities. Now, VPAC shut down and that's sad, but that's a very unusual edge case -- its the equivalent of binary lane going bankrupt. Do you think that would be handled well either? Or do you think they'd just lock the doors and walk away or have the gear repossessed?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">My point being that the underlying premise of the article is wrong. The fact that no money changed hands for the hosting doesn't mean the hosting was inherently unprofessional in some way. It means the donating organisation saw value in the work LA does and wanted to support that work in a tangible way. That sort of arrangement should be applauded.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Michael<br>
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