<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 4:47 PM Russell Coker <<a href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au">russell@coker.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:02:55 AM James Polley wrote:<br>
> I like the Cafe Scientifique and Science Cafe concepts - I'm a fan of<br>
> anything that encourages science literacy or critical thinking.<br>
><br>
> But I'm having trouble seeing how this is "a good fit for the aims of Linux<br>
> Australia". <a href="http://linux.org.au/projects/grants" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://linux.org.au/projects/grants</a> has some details on some of<br>
> the criteria the request should meet to be considered, starting with being<br>
> "for the good of a project that relates to Linux or Open Source". I<br>
<br>
I agree that a strict literal reading of the grants page would make this<br>
project ineligible for a financial grant.<br>
<br>
However at this time I'm not looking for money just for mailing list hosting.<br>
So even if it's determined that the grants page should be interpreted strictly<br>
I don't think this necessarily precludes mailing list hosting.<br>
<br>
But I think that the grants page should be interpreted more liberally.<br>
Computer Science is one branch of science and generally promoting science<br>
education goes along with Open Source.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You've won me over with this reasoning.</div><div><br></div><div>Science requires lots of openness: the methods used in an experiment need to be open, so that the experiment can be reproduced and verified. The data collected from the experiment needs to be open so that the conclusions can be verified. The knowledge gained from the experiment needs to be open so that later experiments are able to adapt and build on the results of earlier work.</div><div><br></div><div>Computing is just one offshoot of the results of the open scientific process. The Open Source movement wouldn't have been possible without the fruits of centuries of Open Science that preceded it (not that it ever went by that name - but that's how it operated).</div><div><br></div><div>Long term I think it might be a good branding exercise for LA to look into a broader offering of mailing list services for groups like this - possibly sponsored by one of the commercial mass mailing providers, if LA wants to go down the path of corporate sponsorship.</div><div><br></div><div>Short term, I'm happy to support this request. It's true that scientific literacy isn't directly related to open source, but I think that promoting greater science literacy does have enough benefits to justify the small cost of hosting the list.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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If it is determined that Linux Australia shouldn't offer mailing list hosting<br>
for such a project does anyone know of a good service to use? Don't say<br>
Google Groups.<br>
<br>
> certainly think that encouraging science literacy benefits every aspect of<br>
> life, but I'm having trouble making a direct connection to Linux or Open<br>
> Source.<br>
><br>
> I'd really like to see this sponsorship happen, but I'm having trouble<br>
> seeing how it fits within the usual scope of the grants program.<br>
><br>
> Would you be able to address some of the points from the Grants page to add<br>
> some more detail about how this fits?<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:19 AM Russell Coker <<a href="mailto:russell@coker.com.au" target="_blank">russell@coker.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> > I would like to start a Melbourne version of the "Science Cafe" project.<br>
> > That<br>
> > involves arranging meetings of scientists and people who are interested<br>
> > in science to chat informally at cafes etc.<br>
> ><br>
> > I need a mailing list. I think that as it's a non-free project based<br>
> > around<br>
> > science it's a good fit for the aims of Linux Australia and running<br>
> > another mailing list is a very easy form of sponsorship. So I'd like to<br>
> > use a mailing<br>
> > list on the LA server. A possible mailing list name would be<br>
> > science-cafe- melb.<br>
> ><br>
> > Also if things go well in this regard I'll eventually setup a Meetup<br>
> > group. If that happens would LA be willing to sponsor the Meetup fees<br>
> > and have official<br>
> > ownership of the Meetup account? I don't want this to be something that<br>
> > I personally do, I want it to be easily passed on to other people who<br>
> > have more<br>
> > time and energy when appropriate.<br>
> ><br>
> > ======<br>
> ><br>
> > Here's the background:<br>
> ><br>
> > The Science Cafe idea has been implemented in different ways in various<br>
> > places.<br>
> > The people who started it favored a very decentralised model so there<br>
> > isn't even a clear definition of it apart from being generally involving<br>
> > people talking about science, usually scientists talking to random<br>
> > people who want to<br>
> > learn in a cafe or other similar public place. I'm initially planning to<br>
> > talk<br>
> > to my contacts in medical research but it would be good if other people<br>
> > can find scientists willing to get involved.<br>
> ><br>
> > If anyone from Melbourne wants to get involved then let me know by<br>
> > private mail and I'll put you in contact with the other people. If<br>
> > anyone wants to do<br>
> > something in another region then I guess this list could be used to start<br>
> > the<br>
> > discussion.<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://www.inspiring-australia.com.au/category/cafe-scientifique/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.inspiring-australia.com.au/category/cafe-scientifique/</a><br>
> ><br>
> > The above URL has information on what they are doing in QLD. Small<br>
> > amounts of<br>
> > money are available to help people who want to run similar events.<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://www.scitech.org.au/events/all/1740-science-cafe" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.scitech.org.au/events/all/1740-science-cafe</a><br>
> ><br>
> > The above URL has information about an event in Perth for year 9-11 kids.<br>
> ><br>
> > I didn't put much effort into finding out what's going on in other<br>
> > states, the<br>
> > fact that nothing is happening in Melbourne is all that's really of<br>
> > interest<br>
> > to me.<br>
> ><br>
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