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Thanks Tim for the roundup. <br>
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I think our first step here should be identifying, then
consolidating and (with Council's input of course), prioritising and
weighting the requirements. While the most prominent requirements
are likely going to be around managing memberships for Linux
Australia, if we think forward to where LA might be in five years,
this will also give rise to requirements for things like event
handling and possibly tracking things like policy submissions. <br>
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Then, we should rate each contender against weighted requirements to
see what the best candidates are. <br>
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Does this sound like a good way forward? <br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Kathy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/02/2015 2:38 AM, Tim Ansell wrote:<br>
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<div>Just getting through backlog of emails and discovered that
AJ had also suggested two other alternatives to ZooKeepr in
another thread (I'm excluding the third non-FOSS option). </div>
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<div>For completeness, the list of FOSS conference management
systems which *might* be alternatives for ZooKeepr are;<br>
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<div> * <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eldarion.com/symposion/" target="_blank"
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">http://eldarion.com/symposion/</a> -
used by PyCon US, ApacheCon</div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> * </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://launchpad.net/summit"
target="_blank" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">https://launchpad.net/summit</a><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> - used by Canonical,
Linaro, DebConf</span><br>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> * </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pentabarf.org/Main_Page"
target="_blank" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">http://pentabarf.org/Main_Page</a><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> - (formerly?) used by
CCC, FOSDEM,</span><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> DebConf</span><br
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">
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<div>Before LCA should even consider changing, someone actually
needs to do the legwork to find out all of the following;</div>
<div> * if the systems have the features needed by LCA (or other
LA conferences) and how much effort would be needed to add the
missing features,</div>
<div> * if the projects are under active development (and how
does that development compare to ZooKeepr),</div>
<div> * if the projects are in any better state than Zookeepr</div>
<div> * are there any experts we can lean on when we need XXX
changes 5 minutes before LCA starts,</div>
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<div>I'm **not** volunteering to do that.</div>
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<div>Tim 'mithro' Ansell</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 1 February 2015 at 02:11, Tim Ansell
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mithro@mithis.com" target="_blank">mithro@mithis.com</a>></span>
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<div>As Stewart mentioned, rewriting from scratch takes a
lot of extra effort and I don't think LA has the
resources for that type of task. There is a lot more to
a conference management system then it first seems like.
Plus anything which deals with billing gets complicated
fast (writing a billing system seems to be a right of
passage for become a real "grumpy old programmer" :).<br>
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<div>If people really do want to replace ZooKeepr (which
I'm not sure is *actually* the case) its worth checking
out Symposion used by PyCon US and other conferences (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eldarion.com/symposion/" target="_blank">http://eldarion.com/symposion/</a>)
and contributing to that. The big problem with Symposion
is that it has been highly North America focused and
hence probably missing things needed by an Australian
conference.</div>
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<div>Tim 'mithro' Ansell</div>
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<div class="h5">On 28 January 2015 at 13:52, Stewart
Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stewart@flamingspork.com"
target="_blank">stewart@flamingspork.com</a>></span>
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<div class="h5"><span>Michael Cordover <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:la@mjec.net" target="_blank">la@mjec.net</a>>
writes:<br>
> On 16 January 2015 at 14:39, Kathy Reid
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kathy@kathyreid.id.au"
target="_blank">kathy@kathyreid.id.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> While this is a great short term
solution, I think we should (in parallel)<br>
>> discuss and debate a MemberDB
replacement, likely something like CiviCRM.<br>
>> This is a bit more work and effort, but
I think would have good long term<br>
>> returns, and address the pressing need
for targeted member communications.<br>
><br>
> On this, I think it would be useful to do
some project scoping - not<br>
> just around membership, but around all of
the web-based systems we are<br>
> thining of upgrading. I know there's also
been talk of a zookeepr<br>
> upgrade/rewrite. There are also probably
other needs we should be<br>
> considering: other LA events, potential
lobbying/other LA activities,<br>
> grants, Mailman 3 integration, Hurd
compatibility etc etc etc.<br>
><br>
> The first step here would be wishlisting
*everything*, and then<br>
> scoping it down into actual projects, then
commencing work. Strategic<br>
> planning, yo.<br>
<br>
</span>The important thing to keep in mind is that
this is all volunteer<br>
work. Zookeepr has been by volunteers from 2007 to
get to where it is<br>
today.<br>
<br>
It would be a big judgement call to do a rewrite
rather than incremental<br>
change - a lot of effort goes into getting all the
basics again,<br>
something that occured about 3 times before we
used Zookeepr for the<br>
second time.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Stewart Smith<br>
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