<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Luke Martinez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@luke.asia" target="_blank">me@luke.asia</a>></span> wrote:<br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div class="im">>This, and much much worse, has happened<br>
to women in IT. <br><br></div>Show me one instance of a woman being publicly shamed because she has a different opinion about policy on a IT Mailing List. Most mailing lists are public & have records so i'm sure you can show me... oh.. you can't?<br>
<br></div>This faux anecdotal evidence BS is just that, BS. THIS is what has happened, it's not justifiable just because you can come up with some fairyland situation in which a woman is publicly shamed for having a different opinion on a policy.<br>
<br></div>Seriously. "oh but in my imagination im SUUUUUREEE its happened to women toooo" is horrible justifcation.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>Luke, I'm sure this won't meet your exceedingly narrow terms of reference for 'acceptable' evidence, but for others playing along at home...<br>
<br><a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=harassment+of+women+in+computing">http://lmgtfy.com/?q=harassment+of+women+in+computing</a><br><br></div><div>As before, a few minutes on your search engine of choice will yield many reports of incidents that demonstrate that yes, indeed, it is exceedingly common for women to be targeted routinely with extreme responses for the multiple crimes of being female, having opinions, and daring to share them online.<br>
<br></div><div>Yes, I know. You call BS on 'anecdotal evidence'. I note from previous rants that you're also not too keen on engaging with actual research papers with actual data in them, preferring to dismiss them as being biased (without bothering to present countering evidence) because they support the argument being made, to wit:<br>
<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">the closest thing to evidence that was being cited was the _clearly_
biased finallyfeminism and geek feminism wikia. (Yea... of course
websites that are pro-your-opinion are going to say things that are
pro-your-opinion... That's a given.)</blockquote><br>Yes, because everyone cites information that contradicts the argument they're making in the hope of proving their case, right? *eyeroll*<br></div><div><br></div>
<div><br></div><div>Jessica<br><br></div><div>P.S. Just writing this and preparing to hit send, I have a knot in my stomach in anticipation of the possibility of a dumping of disproportionate vitriol in response. In this instance I choose to "feel the fear and do it anyway", because all too often silencing tactics work. If you've never had that anxiety-making feeling when about to fire off a fairly innocuous email, consider yourself lucky. (Or, as those pesky feminists would say, "privileged".) ;-)<br>
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