<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>>This, and much much worse, has happened<br>
to women in IT. <br><br>Show me one instance of a woman being publicly shamed because she has a different opinion about policy on a IT Mailing List. Most mailing lists are public & have records so i'm sure you can show me... oh.. you can't?<br>
<br></div>This faux anecdotal evidence BS is just that, BS. THIS is what has happened, it's not justifiable just because you can come up with some fairyland situation in which a woman is publicly shamed for having a different opinion on a policy.<br>
<br></div>Seriously. "oh but in my imagination im SUUUUUREEE its happened to women toooo" is horrible justifcation.<br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Luke.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Paul Wayper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paulway@mabula.net" target="_blank">paulway@mabula.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Well, that's sad.<br>
<br>
I _am_ sorry for David; I've been through rough patches and contemplated<br>
suicide and I know it's terrible to find that other people are making your<br>
life miserable. No-one needs to go through that, especially not at the<br>
hands of a group, especially not on this topic.<br>
<br>
Because this is the stupid thing. This, and much much worse, has happened<br>
to women in IT. It's probably happening to someone right now. Some women<br>
have feared for their lives because of attacks on Twitter. Some women have<br>
had to quit their jobs and move because a group of people decided to make<br>
her life awful. No-one should ever have to go through that.<br>
<br>
There are obvious differences in the situations and I think it's worth<br>
people reflecting on them.<br>
<br>
Personally, I beg the reader in the future, wading through this little<br>
episode on the Linux Australia list and trying to distill some wisdom out of<br>
all the words: please by all you hold dear think before you post. Do your<br>
research. Do not be surprised if you raise a contentious issue and people<br>
get angry. Do not be surprised if someone raises a contentious issue and<br>
thinks they've seen a totally new side to it with which you feel already<br>
totally, unpleasantly familiar. Please be slow to anger and quick to<br>
forgive. To paraphrase Kipling, be prepared to hear the words you've spoken<br>
twisted into a trap - and do not fall into that trap. Please find within<br>
yourself the strength to step away from something that hurts and let the<br>
problem pass by.<br>
<br>
I don't speak from a position of expertise with any of those things. I<br>
still work on learning these lessons.<br>
<br>
Good luck, David, in whatever path you take to recovery. Good luck, all of<br>
us, in being better people in the future.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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