<div dir="ltr"><div><div>ok here is the whole enchilada. it is just an idea i am working through<br></div>how would computers and networks be optimised for this kind of system.<br></div>systems for project management etc<br>
<div><div><br>
<div><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Cyclical economics</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">I am responsible for myself, for my
impact on others, I do useful things.<br>We need to reduce CO2 and rebalance the
climate.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Triple bottom line accounting method we
can see where we are winning and losing systemically. Environmental, social and money profit and loss.<br></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Cyclical project management which is
synaptic and nodal. A project connects to other projects through the
materials it sources and produces. Perhaps this needs to be an open
universal system.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Where we can follow the synapses and
nodes and see where the system needs vitamins trace elements, cancer
removed. Perhaps it should be possible to download and adapt to see
if we can improve the way we are defining things. If it is static it
could be a single point of failure. Perhaps people will develop a
range of synaptic models and we can run a project through it to see
what it produces.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Energy</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Energy can come from many sources.</p>Wind, solar, top of the waves in the
ocean, deep tidal in the ocean, geo energy, biomass, algae.All of these are about using energy
which is already there naturally or as 'waste'.
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">We live in a single enclosed
environment. If something is called 'waste' it is not being thought
about in a way that recycles the things we make. Design systems for
cyclical use of resources. If not in the one production system the
'waste' should be used by other industries.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Thorium nuclear can use nuclear waste
and produce some useful slow release battery materials.Thorium does not produce materials for
war. If thorium power can help reduce nuclear waste we should be able
to find ways to usefully 'remove' waste problems.
</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">We need research to help with making
wind and solar cheap and to make the materials we use cyclical. They
need to be as durable as possible and reusable they may be different
in different situations and climates. Wind energy for a low power
gentle weather area needs to be engineered differently from wind for
extremely windy areas at the poles.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Refugees</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Look for ways to make these areas
economically happy using cyclical systems and fair wages, education
for all, hackerspaces. Negotiated responsibility for common assets
like river systems.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Carbon</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Repair forests and jungles. Any carbon
generating industries and communities need to pay their debts into
breathing ecologies. If they can't do that domestically they should
partner with a nation or region which can grow their respiring
assets.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Soil</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Learn from each other about ways to
improve different soil type in different areas.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Cities.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Collect and filter urban storm water.</p>Research ways to use human waste
constructively. Can it help improve soil systems?Find ways to store power in distributed
ways. In people's electric cars. In pumping water to header pumps.
Batteries will be a short term bottleneck. Think about ways to store
energy which get beyond batteries. Can you store energy as heat?
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Transport</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">We still need to move stuff around but
our economics should be able to tell that moving fruit from one side
of the earth to the other to undercut local agriculture is a bad
piece of business. Why is that viable currently? We need to look at
shipping and flight and freight and see how to use different fuels,
perhaps make things lighter or use different energies.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Skill share, invest in experiments.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Look for ways to share skills. eg.
Export ideas on how to improve and repair soils and make cyclical
agricultural patterns in ways that make sense for the ecology of the
area you are visiting. Is it useful to look for low eco cost and low
social cost patterns or is it more effective to use social cost and
eco cost so long as the outcomes are cyclical and positive? This is
an era when we need maximum capacity innovation. Models which trap
innovation behind ownership are counterproductive. Get ideas out and
learn from experimentation. Profit from investment in different
strategies, a stock exchange of experiments, but don't build business
on blocking innovation. No ability to make profit on failure of ideas
and experiments. That encourages counter productive investment.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Beyond plastic</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">We can recycle plastic, we can use
other materials. Avoid plastics near food that mess with estrogen and
cause breast cancer.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Privacy, transparency, accountability</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">People's privacy has already been
considered not important compared to the national interest.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">There needs to be that kind of approach
on governance, and investment. I do not know if personal privacy is
possible or whether problems will gravitate to where privacy is. I
can see that privacy for big systems reduces accountability and
increases problems. If people need to be 'open data systems' then the
systems which use the data need to be open as well. I do not know if
it is safer for people to be off grid. Perhaps in a world where
profit from conflict is not effective being open will be ok.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Open standards for technology enable
peer review and improvement.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">GMO</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Science generally has open peer review
as a method of determining correctness. GMO should go through
rigorous peer review from all other systemic science before being
released on communities and ecologies. As I understand it currently
the splicing of genes is imprecise and can create cancerous
substances. In needs to be stopped until it is proven safe.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Culture</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm">Diverse cultures are useful and
important. Diverse languages may capture different viewpoints. These
are a kind of wealth. Think of them as diverse experiments in
thinking and making living systems and patterns. If we are all
running the same experiment it is inefficient and brittle. It is a
single point of failure. I think that is how we are currently in
trouble. All experiments should honour human rights, humane treatment
of other life. Faith is not the enemy of science. They both need to
be able to move forward together.</p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0cm">System support</p><div><div><div><br></div>If I wanted to develop an
open system for synaptic cyclical project management which traced inputs
and outputs, in at least 3 concurrent economic streams (eco,social,money) across the whole system<br></div>what would be good and what would be bad?<br><br></div><div>Perhaps a system which has the current state of materials and people and money <br>
</div><div>you
run the project through the system and see if there are any chemical,
social, money weakpoints? then people look at the path it has taken and
peer review their thoughts about the inputs etc and vote on the project ?<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><br>I
am thinking like blood system, lymph system, nervous system and eating
food or playing sport. What if we look at economics like that. A project
is an anatomy, the anatomy fits in a system?<br>
<br></div><div>Military to ploughshares.<br></div><div>Data systems for cyclical economics<br></div>Military
folks including returned soldiers helping with permaculture and
reengineering for different cars, different trucks, different
manucacture and invention. How to improve technolocies for wind wave
solar how to reuse materials. Drones could deliver medicine etc to
remote communities if they were trusted. What would shipping and flight
look like.<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 September 2013 15:57, Daniel Jitnah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:djitnah@greenwareit.com.au" target="_blank">djitnah@greenwareit.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Janet,<br>
<br>
Whats GOOD?<br>
<br>
first impression is that it is a project where you are thinking outside the square. Potentially it could revolutionise<br>
the world!<br>
<br>
<br>
Whats bad?<br>
<br>
Not sure what you are expecting people to respond in relation to here? Linux Software, technology, system design,<br>
concepts, philosophy? Or else? Or are you just throwing it out there and hoping it will resonate with someone else's<br>
idea and interest, or curiosity (for me at last)?<br>
<br>
Can you please expand on "synaptic cyclical project management" or point to info? Even Google does not seem to know<br>
about!.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Daniel.<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Thu, September 12, 2013 15:24, Janet Reid wrote:<br>
> Hi folks<br>
><br>
> If I wanted to develop an online open system for synaptic cyclical project<br>
> management which traced inputs and outputs, in at least 3 concurrent<br>
> economic streams (eco,social,money) across the whole system<br>
> what would be good and what would be bad?<br>
><br>
> Perhaps a system which has the current state of materials and people and<br>
> money<br>
> you run the project through the system and see if there are any chemical,<br>
> social, money weakpoints? then people look at the path it has taken and<br>
> peer review their thoughts about the inputs etc and vote on the project ?<br>
><br>
> Janet<br>
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